JHZR2
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Ive just heard that 20 countries have offered help. I think Germany was first.
Some claims say that we've denied all offers, others say that we havent denied anything.
JMH
Im a bit sad..............
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Some claims say that we've denied all offers, others say that we havent denied anything.
JMH
JHZR2
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Youre right, a lot of people arent fit to bear arms, regardless of rights on paper... unfortunately one way or another, theyll find and have them. This is part of the overall problem.
I can imagine deparation and wanting to be the first to get care... in a sick way, it makes sense to fight for it... however to shoot at or try to harm the people coming to give care????
JMH
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That has always been a concern of mine. We tend to be so preoccupied with what is going abroad, we sometimes neglect our own. I think the US is very vulnerable right now. Border's wide open and we are tied into a difficult war. I hope it doesn't hurt our reconstruction efforts in New Orleans.
I'm sad for another reason... That people politicize the pain and suffering for political gain. Whether it's "global warming" or any other person who spins the political blame-game-of-the-day wheel, it's sad the suffering people aren't put on the front burner.
It's the people, that's what it's all about. That's the real reason why I'm sad.
It's the people, that's what it's all about. That's the real reason why I'm sad.
I'm a bit sad, too........that the first looters (of non-essentials) were not shot DRT.
Once those first looters were allowed to walk away, it was ON! It makes me sick to my stomach.
One looter even said: "If what they doin' is wrong, the police would be out here stoppin' it." Only in America.
Once those first looters were allowed to walk away, it was ON! It makes me sick to my stomach.
One looter even said: "If what they doin' is wrong, the police would be out here stoppin' it." Only in America.
Why would the US accept help it cannot use, especially if we already have the capability? By the time most nations offering help could mobilize their forces and make a difference, our own people can resolve the problem.
If American entities cannot get into New Orleans due to all the problems, I seriously doubt a search and rescue team from Russia will be able to do any better.
Part of the problem in NOLA right now is there are too many chiefs and not enough indians. The Salvation Army (who is normally a Godsend in tragic situations) cannot even rescue their own people stranded in a downtown building. Local law enforcement and Nat'l Guard will not let the SA teams into the city; they say it's too dangerous.
If American entities cannot get into New Orleans due to all the problems, I seriously doubt a search and rescue team from Russia will be able to do any better.
Part of the problem in NOLA right now is there are too many chiefs and not enough indians. The Salvation Army (who is normally a Godsend in tragic situations) cannot even rescue their own people stranded in a downtown building. Local law enforcement and Nat'l Guard will not let the SA teams into the city; they say it's too dangerous.
Haven't help in terms of financial aid and supplies been offered or what?
what about the help in terms of money and supplies? Sooner or later US certainly can use help in THOSE terms, right?
what about the help in terms of money and supplies? Sooner or later US certainly can use help in THOSE terms, right?
Although I am a believer of global warming, I don't think we should blame Katrina on it. It is like blaming your car accident on the brightness of the sky on that particular day, does it have an effect? Sure, but the driver is responsible for its own action and safety.
You can blame the lack of preparation of citizen, lack of maintanence of the levees, lack of law enforcement, lack of emergency response, etc etc, but blaming it on global warming is too far fetched.
Remember, weather patterns are chaos, a butterfly flapping its wing in a tropical forest could lead to a hurrican 10 months later. It is all a matter of probability.
You can blame the lack of preparation of citizen, lack of maintanence of the levees, lack of law enforcement, lack of emergency response, etc etc, but blaming it on global warming is too far fetched.
Remember, weather patterns are chaos, a butterfly flapping its wing in a tropical forest could lead to a hurrican 10 months later. It is all a matter of probability.
Troops ready to kill hoodlums
September 02, 2005
HUNDREDS of troops sent to pull New Orleans back from the brink of anarchy had been authorised to shoot to kill "hoodlums", the Louisiana Governor said today.
The news came after disturbing reports of rapes, street fighting and dead bodies lying out in the open in the city, which was devastated by Hurricane Katrina.
Governor Kathleen Blanco said: "Three hundred of the Arkansas National Guard have landed in the city of New Orleans.
"These troops are fresh back from Iraq, well-trained, experienced, battle-tested and under my orders to restore order in the streets.
"They have M-16s and they are locked and loaded.
"These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will."
Horrific reports have emerged of conditions at the Louisiana Superdome, which was used as a refuge for the city's poor and homeless.
Witnesses claimed two children were raped and refugees had been terrorised by rioters. Gunfire has been heard inside.
Many bodies have been seen floating in the floodwaters, and the Governor said today she and her officials believed "thousands" would be found dead when the floods eventually receded.
More than 4000 troops have been called in to deal with the spiralling lawlessness on the streets after reports that armed gangs were on looting sprees in the city.
The New Orleans mayor issued a "desperate SOS" as city residents grew increasingly angry at the lack of food and evacuation transport. The historic city, which claims to be the birthplace of jazz music, is now being abandoned.
Officials have expressed concern for the safety of tourists who could be "prey" for criminals on the highways out of the city as people leave on foot.
There are over 50 Australians reportedly missing in the southern US.
Overnight, a rescue helicopter was fired upon by a gunman on the ground in New Orleans as military personnel tried to collect refugees for evacuation.
Hundreds of stranded people could be seen waving flags on rooftops in a desperate bid to attract the attention of rescuers, while thousands remained trapped in the city's Superdome stadium, engulfed by water.
US President George W. Bush has sought the counsel of two former presidents - his father, George Bush Snr, and Bill Clinton - as he prepared to make a trip to the disaster area to see the damage.
He also urged Americans to avoid buying petrol because of dwindling supplies.
"We all know this is an agonising time for the people of the Gulf Coast," Mr Bush said. "I ask their continued patience as recovery operations unfold."
But Thomas Jessie, a 31-year-old roofer, vented his fear and anger after spending a night in the squalor of the convention center with no National Guard or Red Cross workers in sight.
"We got dead bodies sitting next to us for days. I feel like I am going to die. People are going to kill you for water," he said.
"This is America, I don't understand the lack of communications between the authorities and the people," he said. "It is disgusting, we feel we have been forgotten."
Keshia Gray, 28, said the scene in the convention centre turned more horrific by the hour.
"As the night went on, people were dying off. There were people shooting, fights broke out, the bathrooms were all clogged up and there was no water," she said. "Then the police started shooting. I couldn't stay in there."
Officials moved to stave off mounting criticism of the response to what officials have called one of the worst natural disasters in US history, saying the flood waters were to blame for the slow progress.
"Let me emphasise, from the very beginning, and as we speak, rescue operations have continued and are continuing in full force," said Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff.
Officials said more than two million customers in five states stretching from Louisiana to Florida were still without electric power.
September 02, 2005
HUNDREDS of troops sent to pull New Orleans back from the brink of anarchy had been authorised to shoot to kill "hoodlums", the Louisiana Governor said today.
The news came after disturbing reports of rapes, street fighting and dead bodies lying out in the open in the city, which was devastated by Hurricane Katrina.
Governor Kathleen Blanco said: "Three hundred of the Arkansas National Guard have landed in the city of New Orleans.
"These troops are fresh back from Iraq, well-trained, experienced, battle-tested and under my orders to restore order in the streets.
"They have M-16s and they are locked and loaded.
"These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will."
Horrific reports have emerged of conditions at the Louisiana Superdome, which was used as a refuge for the city's poor and homeless.
Witnesses claimed two children were raped and refugees had been terrorised by rioters. Gunfire has been heard inside.
Many bodies have been seen floating in the floodwaters, and the Governor said today she and her officials believed "thousands" would be found dead when the floods eventually receded.
More than 4000 troops have been called in to deal with the spiralling lawlessness on the streets after reports that armed gangs were on looting sprees in the city.
The New Orleans mayor issued a "desperate SOS" as city residents grew increasingly angry at the lack of food and evacuation transport. The historic city, which claims to be the birthplace of jazz music, is now being abandoned.
Officials have expressed concern for the safety of tourists who could be "prey" for criminals on the highways out of the city as people leave on foot.
There are over 50 Australians reportedly missing in the southern US.
Overnight, a rescue helicopter was fired upon by a gunman on the ground in New Orleans as military personnel tried to collect refugees for evacuation.
Hundreds of stranded people could be seen waving flags on rooftops in a desperate bid to attract the attention of rescuers, while thousands remained trapped in the city's Superdome stadium, engulfed by water.
US President George W. Bush has sought the counsel of two former presidents - his father, George Bush Snr, and Bill Clinton - as he prepared to make a trip to the disaster area to see the damage.
He also urged Americans to avoid buying petrol because of dwindling supplies.
"We all know this is an agonising time for the people of the Gulf Coast," Mr Bush said. "I ask their continued patience as recovery operations unfold."
But Thomas Jessie, a 31-year-old roofer, vented his fear and anger after spending a night in the squalor of the convention center with no National Guard or Red Cross workers in sight.
"We got dead bodies sitting next to us for days. I feel like I am going to die. People are going to kill you for water," he said.
"This is America, I don't understand the lack of communications between the authorities and the people," he said. "It is disgusting, we feel we have been forgotten."
Keshia Gray, 28, said the scene in the convention centre turned more horrific by the hour.
"As the night went on, people were dying off. There were people shooting, fights broke out, the bathrooms were all clogged up and there was no water," she said. "Then the police started shooting. I couldn't stay in there."
Officials moved to stave off mounting criticism of the response to what officials have called one of the worst natural disasters in US history, saying the flood waters were to blame for the slow progress.
"Let me emphasise, from the very beginning, and as we speak, rescue operations have continued and are continuing in full force," said Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff.
Officials said more than two million customers in five states stretching from Louisiana to Florida were still without electric power.
Certain types of people. This would not be happening in my neighboorhood I can tell you that much.
Probably would happen in Chicago. Do the 'math'.
What's sad is people have become so reliant on goverment handouts and being babysat, they can't even take care of themselves. People on TV saying "where da govment at"... "where my hotel room?".
They knew this was coming. Minumum 3 days they knew it was going to be NASTY.
Even if you don't have money...you have LEGS...and you still have them. The only people I truely feel sorry for is the elderly and disabled. And it's sad that these animals are endangering them and interfering with thier help! Of course I feel sorry for everyone's homes that were destroyed but I'm talking about the people still there. And of course some stayed, with every intent to do what they are doing. You'd be naive to say otherwise.
They knew this was coming. Minumum 3 days they knew it was going to be NASTY.
Even if you don't have money...you have LEGS...and you still have them. The only people I truely feel sorry for is the elderly and disabled. And it's sad that these animals are endangering them and interfering with thier help! Of course I feel sorry for everyone's homes that were destroyed but I'm talking about the people still there. And of course some stayed, with every intent to do what they are doing. You'd be naive to say otherwise.
Wrong. We need to go to Electric powererd Outfits for most of the normal stuff (commuting, Transit) and recharge those with Nuke powered Power Plants.
Takes too much outside energy to make Hydrogen.
Read the latest Car and Driver.
Also, if you think the Storm was caused by Global Warming.... Sorry.. Wrong.
99.9% of the Weather folks incl the Hurricane center have stated this.
Take care, Bill
Nukes? Thst won't be tolerated. It's a solution, not a problem. Some have that thinking reversed.
Certain types of people. This would not be happening in my neighboorhood I can tell you that much.
I am not 100% sure about that either (unless you are the only one living there), crimes happen in all neighborhood and laws are broken by all kinds of people. When there is no one enforcing the law, someone will break the law.
I am not 100% sure about that either (unless you are the only one living there), crimes happen in all neighborhood and laws are broken by all kinds of people. When there is no one enforcing the law, someone will break the law.
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