Originally Posted by billt460
Originally Posted by StevieC
"Earned"
More like forcibly taken away from being shared in part with the the workers that put forth the efforts and labour to drive the profits for the company.
There would be more "Profits" if those buying the crap these corporations are peddling paid out more to their workers with the benefit of a healthy stable economy and lower debt. The one feeds the other. The way it is now it's all strangled at the top and just creates uncertainty, market instability and debt. Once this gets worse it's going to collapse the system and then pitchforks WILL come for the rich. There is a reason the most wealthy of families have bomb shelters and reserves. They know it's coming.
How is it
forcibly taken? No one is forcing these people to work for them. They can quit whenever they want if they're unhappy. I've had many jobs in my life that I didn't care for. I went out and got a better one. If they can't because they are unskilled or unqualified, and no one wants them, that's not the companies fault. It's theirs because of their limited worth. It's not the military. They can't charge you with going AWOL. You're free to leave at any time.
Their will always be cheap labor. And you know who is going to provide it? The same socialist government you want to
forcibly take wealth from the wealthy. They are also the same one's who want open borders. You act as if wage and price controls, along with socialism has never been tried before. Everywhere it has it's failed. You keep carrying on about "pitchforks" because you hate the wealthy, and think they have "too much". So you want it taken from them, or else you want their head on a stick. Too bad. Life isn't fair.
Life is like war, in the sense only the strongest, best trained and equipped soldiers will survive. Weak uneducated people are owed nothing just because they are weak and uneducated. They will be slaughtered in the workplace by better trained workers who possess greater value to the people who are hiring them.
As I said above, there are trade schools everywhere that are all but begging for students. And they are nowhere near as expensive as colleges and universities. I spent 5 years in one. I was even paid a small amount to attend. My company looked at it as an investment in me for my future value to them. I was self supporting all the way through it. But I lived in a 950 sq. ft. house, not a 2,500 sq. ft. one. And I drove an older car.
ONE older car. As my pay increased I saved more. Things were expensive then, just like now. But if I couldn't afford them, I simply went without them. I didn't buy them on credit. It's no different today.
None of it was easy. Not the 5 years of night school. Not the endless 65 hour work weeks. Not paying off my mortgage before I moved into another house. Not any of it. But I kept at it. I didn't complain because no one wanted to listen to it if I did. In the end it all worked out well. But it took all of my working life. No one becomes a success in 15 minutes. Or gets wealth handed to them just because they think they, "deserve it".
It's an interesting tirade, but how about workers banding together to force higher wages? Or them voting in people who will give it to them. Power is a two way street. I recall reading a while ago that even the guys that hang out at the Home Depot parking lots have an informal minimum wage, they try and convince other workers not to take jobs below a certain amount. That's also a control over supply and demand. It's easy to force wages lower, there's always someone out there desperate enough to take it. When there aren't as many workers, then that forces wages up.
