If wix is napa gold then why...?

[dommiel74]

Everyone seems to agree that NAPA Gold and Wix are the same filter but according to an Amsoil test the NAPA Gold was a bit more efficient than the Wix.

http://bestsyntheticoil.com/amsoil/images/oilfilterefficiency.gif

I am trying to find the actual Amsoil page it was on, but their site is a bit convoluted. But notice how the NAPA Gold rated higher than the identical Wix? Seems odd.

 

[PW01]

It also makes you wonder why someone would buy the WIX. Isn't it more expensive?

 

[dommiel74]

I dont know if they are or not. I use AC-delco which are even cheaper and were rated as being more efficient then either of them. Still think its odd tho.

 

[mrsilv04]

Any idea of how old that test data may be?

Now that AC Delco seems to be migrating over to the plastic e-core design... forget it, I'll never use another one.

 

[Pete C.]

Trust Me(?), Wix and NAPA Gold are the same filter with different labels.

 

[dommiel74]

No I have idea how old the data is. But unless wix changed media I doubt the results would have changed. The test was done using SAE HS806 test methods.

Whats wrong with ecores? Supposedly it allows for greater oil flow and is stronger than the metal cores.

 

[mrsilv04]

OK. Pete says there's no difference now. But what if this test is several years old, and there WAS a difference back then?

That's my point.

E-core? If you like them, then go right ahead and use one. I'm just not interested in one. I'll leave it on the shelf, next to the Fram. Once the e-core becomes more accepted, then I'll reconsider. You go right ahead.

Only one manufacurer builds 'em like Fram, and that's Fram. Only one manufacturer builds the e-core. Both are in the vast minority. I'm not using either one.

 

[Pablo]

That's a pretty old graphic from the 1990's maybe posted past 2000. But it's from a non-sponsor Amsoil dealer's website......that's not Amsoil's website. It doesn't even have the approved logo that I can see.

 

[Pete C.]

Been here for 29 years, always been that way for all those years. Probably would have gotten the same different results with 2 NAPA or 2 Wix filters made with different lot number media. Was it a single pass or multipass test? What was the test contaminate media used? What oil for each test? were both tests run on the same test stand? I could go on and on and on.....

 

[Mokanic]

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Trust Me(?), Wix and NAPA Gold are the same filter with different labels.

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You must have worked in the Wix plant there in Gastonia. We go by it quite often.

 

[daman]

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Whats wrong with ecores? Supposedly it is stronger than the metal cores.

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I don't think so....

 

[obbop]

E-core.

Going to have to research the thing. Did find this:

""Our Ecore advanced technology delivers more efficient filtration in a lighter, more compact configuration. These are features that line up extremely well with OEM long-term efforts to reduce weight and bulk from their products," said John Gaither, vice president of Engineering at Champion."

Blather. Drivel. Pure unadulterated Bee Ess. The incredibly small amount of weight savings provided by an oil filter on a diet, even when factoring in a nation-full of vehicles across a lengthy time period, is MINUTE to the point of being worthless.

Perhaps the statement should be amended to declaring that the costs savings to us over a run of millions of filters while keeping the selling price the same OR increasing the price due to our marketing scheme will result in increased profit and my HUGE yearly bonus will be even higher.

Just guessing at the alteration to the quote but Coot can detect puffery and Bee Ess, especially when it is so patently obvious.

 

[mrsilv04]

Oh yes... a lighter weight oil filter had been on my Christmas wish list since I was a child...

Thanks Champion!

 

[Gary Allan]

The ecore is an evolution to metal free internals for the filter. There's a whole market for commercial grade filter cutters for the lube trade. Filter crushers ..etc.. The idea is to have reduce the metal content and reduce the wasted part of the waste stream. With a "cored" Ecore, you're throwing away very little of inherent residual value ..and reducing volume and weight of transported waste.

 

[alreadygone]

"E-core? If you like them, then go right ahead and use one. I'm just not interested in one. I'll leave it on the shelf, next to the Fram. Once the e-core becomes more accepted, then I'll reconsider. You go right ahead."

Sounds a lot like "My mind's made up, don't confuse me with facts!"

Bob

 

[mrsilv04]

Nutscratcher-

Yep, my mind is made up. Life is too short to sit around and make excuses for cheap stuff.

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"The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of a low price is forgotten."

 

[dommiel74]

if its expensive it has to be good right? I guess thats why wix and NAPA golds are considered good, just because they are expensive because they sure dont filter any better than a 2 dollar filter.

 

[TallPaul]

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E-core? If you like them, then go right ahead and use one. I'm just not interested in one. I'll leave it on the shelf, next to the Fram. Once the e-core becomes more accepted, then I'll reconsider. You go right ahead.

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I agree except for the reconsider. I'll never use an ecore unless it's the only filter in the world (then maybe I will go filterless).

 

[TallPaul]

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if its expensive it has to be good right? I guess thats why wix and NAPA golds are considered good, just because they are expensive because they sure dont filter any better than a 2 dollar filter.

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Maybe Wix doesn't filter any better, but that's not my argument. I want the Wix because I know it isn't going to fall apart internally while on my engine. Also it happens to have the Ford-preferred bypass valve style and location.

 

[dommiel74]

Why are e cores so much more susceptible to failure then regular filters? the core is supposed to be stronger and allows a greater oil flow at the same time.