If the rep from Fram still reads this, how come
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Likely not enough demand for them with those engines aging . Other choices to be had out there .
Fords dont last this long ussualy, it makes sense to discontinue them as time goes on.
I am pretty sure fram manufactures more Toyota/Honda filters than ford.
I am pretty sure fram manufactures more Toyota/Honda filters than ford.
The Ford Focus initially started out with a Motorcraft 400 oil filter, which was the comparative Fram 8316. This filter was declared to be too long for the engine compartment, as Ford saw Focuses coming in whose filters had been knocked off from road debris.
Ford revised the MC400, and introduced the MC910. The 910 is simply a shorter version than the 400, and is now the advised oil filter for Ford Focuses 2003 and newer, but can still be used on 00, 01, and 02 Focuses.
It would appear Fram followed Ford's move, and phased out the XG8316 for the XG8614 (which is the MC910 counterpart).
If you really want the Extended Guard, look for the XG8614.
http://www.framcatalog.com/PartDetail.aspx?b=F&pn=XG3614
Ford revised the MC400, and introduced the MC910. The 910 is simply a shorter version than the 400, and is now the advised oil filter for Ford Focuses 2003 and newer, but can still be used on 00, 01, and 02 Focuses.
It would appear Fram followed Ford's move, and phased out the XG8316 for the XG8614 (which is the MC910 counterpart).
If you really want the Extended Guard, look for the XG8614.
http://www.framcatalog.com/PartDetail.aspx?b=F&pn=XG3614
Wow, I haven't gotten less than 12-15 years out of my fords till I get tired of them. I bought my new one in June 2006 and I hope to have it till at least 2021 or longer since its a wagon more or less. We traded in my wifes Mustang in after 11 years because we needed something with a larger person friendly back seat. I would've held on to that for another 5-10 years easy. My Father in Law is driving his 1997 Ford Ranger daily.
If the Motorcraft filter for that vehicle is the FL-910s, then the Fram you want is the 3614 series. And yes they make an XG3614.
Fram Ultra XG3614
Fram Ultra XG3614
just like we rebuild more toyota and honda engines with under 100,000 miles than ford that is something that i thought i would never say 20 years ago. fact is the asian engines used to be the best but not anymore! I see it every day in my shop ford builds a great motor
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Originally Posted By: Hyde244
The Ford Focus initially started out with a Motorcraft 400 oil filter, which was the comparative Fram 8316. This filter was declared to be too long for the engine compartment, as Ford saw Focuses coming in whose filters had been knocked off from road debris.
Ford revised the MC400, and introduced the MC910. The 910 is simply a shorter version than the 400, and is now the advised oil filter for Ford Focuses 2003 and newer, but can still be used on 00, 01, and 02 Focuses.
It would appear Fram followed Ford's move, and phased out the XG8316 for the XG8614 (which is the MC910 counterpart).
If you really want the Extended Guard, look for the XG8614.
http://www.framcatalog.com/PartDetail.aspx?b=F&pn=XG3614
So, if the FL-400S is the recommended filter why not use a FRAM Ultra 3600?
The Ford Focus initially started out with a Motorcraft 400 oil filter, which was the comparative Fram 8316. This filter was declared to be too long for the engine compartment, as Ford saw Focuses coming in whose filters had been knocked off from road debris.
Ford revised the MC400, and introduced the MC910. The 910 is simply a shorter version than the 400, and is now the advised oil filter for Ford Focuses 2003 and newer, but can still be used on 00, 01, and 02 Focuses.
It would appear Fram followed Ford's move, and phased out the XG8316 for the XG8614 (which is the MC910 counterpart).
If you really want the Extended Guard, look for the XG8614.
http://www.framcatalog.com/PartDetail.aspx?b=F&pn=XG3614
So, if the FL-400S is the recommended filter why not use a FRAM Ultra 3600?
dnewton3
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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Hyde244
The Ford Focus initially started out with a Motorcraft 400 oil filter, which was the comparative Fram 8316. This filter was declared to be too long for the engine compartment, as Ford saw Focuses coming in whose filters had been knocked off from road debris.
Ford revised the MC400, and introduced the MC910. The 910 is simply a shorter version than the 400, and is now the advised oil filter for Ford Focuses 2003 and newer, but can still be used on 00, 01, and 02 Focuses.
It would appear Fram followed Ford's move, and phased out the XG8316 for the XG8614 (which is the MC910 counterpart).
If you really want the Extended Guard, look for the XG8614.
http://www.framcatalog.com/PartDetail.aspx?b=F&pn=XG3614
So, if the FL-400S is the recommended filter why not use a FRAM Ultra 3600?
I believe he addressed that in the quote you used! See the red note ...
Originally Posted By: Hyde244
The Ford Focus initially started out with a Motorcraft 400 oil filter, which was the comparative Fram 8316. This filter was declared to be too long for the engine compartment, as Ford saw Focuses coming in whose filters had been knocked off from road debris.
Ford revised the MC400, and introduced the MC910. The 910 is simply a shorter version than the 400, and is now the advised oil filter for Ford Focuses 2003 and newer, but can still be used on 00, 01, and 02 Focuses.
It would appear Fram followed Ford's move, and phased out the XG8316 for the XG8614 (which is the MC910 counterpart).
If you really want the Extended Guard, look for the XG8614.
http://www.framcatalog.com/PartDetail.aspx?b=F&pn=XG3614
So, if the FL-400S is the recommended filter why not use a FRAM Ultra 3600?
I believe he addressed that in the quote you used! See the red note ...
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Originally Posted By: dnewton3
I believe he addressed that in the quote you used! See the red note ...
DN3, you don't miss anything.
I believe he addressed that in the quote you used! See the red note ...
DN3, you don't miss anything.
The original Motorcraft filter was FL-2005 (Purolator 25230), but Purolator didn't feel like making them anymore so they had everybody switch to the 400s (and Purolator's 20195). The overall size, thread and gasket diameters are the same, but the internal construction is different: the FL-2005 has an extra ADBV. When using the 400s (and equivalents) without it, the Zetec is grumpy when cold, noticeably more rough and noisy. Therefore, the FL-2005-type filter is a must.
Luckily, some companies are still making Zetec-specific oil filters:
Wix 51315, NAPA Gold 1315, Napa Platinum 41315, Mobil 1 M1-211, K&N HP-1012, and of course Fram's own PH/TG8316
Also, the Napa Platinum 41315 (Wix XP 51315XP) is on sale for $7.54 this month.
(Napa's Proselect, Silver and Gold Zetec oil filters cost more than other oil filters, but the Platinums are the same price)
Luckily, some companies are still making Zetec-specific oil filters:
Wix 51315, NAPA Gold 1315, Napa Platinum 41315, Mobil 1 M1-211, K&N HP-1012, and of course Fram's own PH/TG8316
Also, the Napa Platinum 41315 (Wix XP 51315XP) is on sale for $7.54 this month.
(Napa's Proselect, Silver and Gold Zetec oil filters cost more than other oil filters, but the Platinums are the same price)
dnewton3
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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
I believe he addressed that in the quote you used! See the red note ...
DN3, you don't miss anything.
Oh- I wouldn't say that ...
A few years ago, I was working the nighshift and after 12 hours, drove home at 0330 hours.
Walked in the door, stepped to the restroom, and looked in the mirror. I had driven the entire way home, with my safety glasses still on, ear plugs in place, and PPE gloves still on my hands.
Yes - I was "DWE" (driving while exhausted).
I am FAR from perfect; about as far as one can get at times.
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
I believe he addressed that in the quote you used! See the red note ...
DN3, you don't miss anything.
Oh- I wouldn't say that ...
A few years ago, I was working the nighshift and after 12 hours, drove home at 0330 hours.
Walked in the door, stepped to the restroom, and looked in the mirror. I had driven the entire way home, with my safety glasses still on, ear plugs in place, and PPE gloves still on my hands.
Yes - I was "DWE" (driving while exhausted).
I am FAR from perfect; about as far as one can get at times.
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Originally Posted By: Motorking
Hi,
I might be the FRAM guy you are referring to? How can I help you? What year is your car? Let me know and I can tell you what your options are.
2002 Ford Focus, 2.0 DOHC, Vin 3
Your website says you have PH8316 and TG8316, but why no Ultra XG8316?
Hi,
I might be the FRAM guy you are referring to? How can I help you? What year is your car? Let me know and I can tell you what your options are.
2002 Ford Focus, 2.0 DOHC, Vin 3
Your website says you have PH8316 and TG8316, but why no Ultra XG8316?
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(Unless I missed it) Out of curiosity--what is wrong with the MC filter that has you seeking a different brand?
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
(Unless I missed it) Out of curiosity--what is wrong with the MC filter that has you seeking a different brand?
They don't make it anymore!
Original Motorcraft filter was FL-2005, but it has been discontinued. "Officially" Ford now wants you to use the 400s, but it simply doesn't work well on the Zetec even though thread and gasket size, as well as overall size of the filter are the same size.
The discontinued 2005 has an extra ADBV to better supply oil to a cold Zetec, which would otherwise be very grumpy and loud and harsh.
Purolator, which made the Motorcraft oil filters, and Bosch which owns Purolator, have discontinued Zetec-specific oil filters (the Puro Classic L25230 still exists, but I like the higher spec Pure One with its textured grip).
Wix, Mobil 1, and K&N still make the Zetec filter, and Fram does but only in the lower lines. But they don't make an Ultra for the Zetec, which is the whole point of this thread.
(Unless I missed it) Out of curiosity--what is wrong with the MC filter that has you seeking a different brand?
They don't make it anymore!
Original Motorcraft filter was FL-2005, but it has been discontinued. "Officially" Ford now wants you to use the 400s, but it simply doesn't work well on the Zetec even though thread and gasket size, as well as overall size of the filter are the same size.
The discontinued 2005 has an extra ADBV to better supply oil to a cold Zetec, which would otherwise be very grumpy and loud and harsh.
Purolator, which made the Motorcraft oil filters, and Bosch which owns Purolator, have discontinued Zetec-specific oil filters (the Puro Classic L25230 still exists, but I like the higher spec Pure One with its textured grip).
Wix, Mobil 1, and K&N still make the Zetec filter, and Fram does but only in the lower lines. But they don't make an Ultra for the Zetec, which is the whole point of this thread.
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Originally Posted By: tommygunn
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
(Unless I missed it) Out of curiosity--what is wrong with the MC filter that has you seeking a different brand?
They don't make it anymore!
Gotcha! Apologies for missing that part
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
(Unless I missed it) Out of curiosity--what is wrong with the MC filter that has you seeking a different brand?
They don't make it anymore!
Gotcha! Apologies for missing that part
Originally Posted By: tommygunn
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
(Unless I missed it) Out of curiosity--what is wrong with the MC filter that has you seeking a different brand?
They don't make it anymore!
Original Motorcraft filter was FL-2005, but it has been discontinued. "Officially" Ford now wants you to use the 400s, but it simply doesn't work well on the Zetec even though thread and gasket size, as well as overall size of the filter are the same size.
The discontinued 2005 has an extra ADBV to better supply oil to a cold Zetec, which would otherwise be very grumpy and loud and harsh.
Purolator, which made the Motorcraft oil filters, and Bosch which owns Purolator, have discontinued Zetec-specific oil filters (the Puro Classic L25230 still exists, but I like the higher spec Pure One with its textured grip).
Wix, Mobil 1, and K&N still make the Zetec filter, and Fram does but only in the lower lines. But they don't make an Ultra for the Zetec, which is the whole point of this thread.
Do these "other" filters have the extra ADBV? Do you have a cut away pic showing the extra ADBV?
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
(Unless I missed it) Out of curiosity--what is wrong with the MC filter that has you seeking a different brand?
They don't make it anymore!
Original Motorcraft filter was FL-2005, but it has been discontinued. "Officially" Ford now wants you to use the 400s, but it simply doesn't work well on the Zetec even though thread and gasket size, as well as overall size of the filter are the same size.
The discontinued 2005 has an extra ADBV to better supply oil to a cold Zetec, which would otherwise be very grumpy and loud and harsh.
Purolator, which made the Motorcraft oil filters, and Bosch which owns Purolator, have discontinued Zetec-specific oil filters (the Puro Classic L25230 still exists, but I like the higher spec Pure One with its textured grip).
Wix, Mobil 1, and K&N still make the Zetec filter, and Fram does but only in the lower lines. But they don't make an Ultra for the Zetec, which is the whole point of this thread.
Do these "other" filters have the extra ADBV? Do you have a cut away pic showing the extra ADBV?
I don't have any cutaway pics of any of them, and the stores don't stock the M1-211 or K&N's HP-1012.
Napa has the 1315 filter, but I haven't gotten there yet.
However, I did see the Purolator L25230 at Kmart in their clearance, and it does have the extra ADBV right past the threaded hole. In addition, you can clearly see it in the stock photos online provided by Purolator
Stock photo:
A photo that someone else posted on BITOG that I found by GIS of the Purolator part number(P)L25230. The base plate shows the second ADBV
Napa has the 1315 filter, but I haven't gotten there yet.
However, I did see the Purolator L25230 at Kmart in their clearance, and it does have the extra ADBV right past the threaded hole. In addition, you can clearly see it in the stock photos online provided by Purolator
Stock photo:
A photo that someone else posted on BITOG that I found by GIS of the Purolator part number(P)L25230. The base plate shows the second ADBV
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