If the gasket and thread fit, can you use them?

[PandaBear]

I notice that on wix filters website they mention the gasket diameter between Toyota Camry V6 (97) to be identical to Ford Taurus Vulcan (01) and Ford Escort 1.9 (93), same bypass pressure and max flow rate, but they are spec different filter number.

Also found the Ford Escort 1.8 (93) to have the same spec as a Honda filter.

So if there's room, can I safely substitute them? Any one tried?

 

[The_Jeff]

You're comparing the FL400s to a 3614 app. That is common; I do this on my saturns.

 

[chubbs1]

I have done this with no problems. I really don't see any issues, if it fits use 'em.

 

[Filter guy]

Regardless of brand many people substitute filters based on similar threads, gasket sealing, by-pass, and Anti-drain( if required).

Can you get away with it. Most likely.

However, if you have a problem with a defective filter which causes engine damage every filter manufacturer in their catalog clearly state to check the application before using the cross reference. So if you are using the filter cataloged for your engine, and there was a manufacturing defect that created the engine damage, the filter company will take care of the problem.

If you are using a non cataloged filter for your engine, they won't honor any warranty as legally you have used the wrong filter for the vehicle.

 

[dnewton3]

Where space permits, the 51516 or even 51515 can be "upgraded" for the 51348 in some applications. The 51516 for 51348 is VERY popular in many Toyota apps.

This is typical of many filter applications. The Wix site is nice because it gives you many attributes to compare/contrast. Just be careful to make sure you don't over/under engineer what has already been appropriately selected.

The comments on warranty are appropriate, but one needs to understand how M/M act would apply.
For example, if you selected a 51516 for 51348 application, you would have to know what "failed" to show if the alternate filter selection was even all or part of the root cause. Between these two filters, the following is the "same": gasket, burst pressure, bypass setting, flow rating, beta ratio. If an engine or filter were to fail, and the "blame" was pushed to an alternative filter selection, I would push back and ask how two filters rated for the same performance criteria would have different DFMEA and PFMEA rankings? As long as the application was within the design and operating parameters of each filter, then the failure mode is not a matter of filter selection, but likely of component failure unique to one produced unit (ie - a gasket was bad, a crimp was bad, etc).

 

[pair of Blazers]

just for comparison I'll post these up.
my g/f 00 RAV takes a 1394 filter, basically a tea cup. the larger 1516 is more like the AC/Delco PF52 that my Blazers use and currently running on her RAV.
the oil can sized 1515 does fit but barely and has no real "breathing room" being so close to the exhaust manifold.
just some thoughts. here are the pics.

1516 and 1394 gasket to gasket

all three. bad cell pic but you get the idea

and the 1515/pl30001 in the RAV

I hope that this is some help to you.

 

[PandaBear]

Thanks.

To begin with, all of the vehicles that I'm planning to substitutes around are way out of warranty. 1 is near scrap, 1 is a beater. What I was trying to do is to see if there is any huge problem before I use it such a band aid.

I bought a case of Taurus filters that likely will outlast the car. My in laws have a camry and an escort that seems to be able to use the Taurus filters. The escort has lots of room, and without really trying I think the camry should be ok as well, and if the reverse can be done to use up filters from a car that is sold or scraped.

 

[Filter guy]

Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Thanks.

To begin with, all of the vehicles that I'm planning to substitutes around are way out of warranty. 1 is near scrap, 1 is a beater. What I was trying to do is to see if there is any huge problem before I use it such a band aid.

I bought a case of Taurus filters that likely will outlast the car. My in laws have a camry and an escort that seems to be able to use the Taurus filters. The escort has lots of room, and without really trying I think the camry should be ok as well, and if the reverse can be done to use up filters from a car that is sold or scraped.


Well why didn't you say so..

As long as the sealing gasket makes full contact with the mounting base, you should be alright.