If I get one more German car owner.....
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Originally Posted By: MCompact
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Explains German cars to me this thread.
I always found most to be incredible driving cars below 100k but above that just nothing special at all even worst than Japanese vehicles. I find Japanese cars to hold their suspension/handling much longer as I assume they don't assign on the edge.
You mean BMWs like my 1995 Club Sport with over 130,000 on the clock? Which is still tracked 2-3 weekends per year and the only suspension work it has needed is a set of LCABs?
Ditto for my 91 318i, which has had less suspension work than our "superior" integra... and wears tires slower!
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Explains German cars to me this thread.
I always found most to be incredible driving cars below 100k but above that just nothing special at all even worst than Japanese vehicles. I find Japanese cars to hold their suspension/handling much longer as I assume they don't assign on the edge.
You mean BMWs like my 1995 Club Sport with over 130,000 on the clock? Which is still tracked 2-3 weekends per year and the only suspension work it has needed is a set of LCABs?
Ditto for my 91 318i, which has had less suspension work than our "superior" integra... and wears tires slower!
I think the 318's show that BMW did do a KISS car very well and probably gave it reasonable camber specs realizing that the cars needed to have reasonable running costs, but I doubt though the OP sees many of these anymore. I don't think any of the german manufactures(except Volkswagen) have brought a simple car, cheap to run car to N.A. in a decade now.
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Doesn't your 318 hatch use old school simpler rear suspension compared to the other 3 series of its same sedan/coupe generation? My experience with 3 series and 5 series tired is the mid 1990's towards present.
Yes, it uses the semi-trailing arm design which dates back to the 700 and Neue Klasse cars.
Doesn't your 318 hatch use old school simpler rear suspension compared to the other 3 series of its same sedan/coupe generation? My experience with 3 series and 5 series tired is the mid 1990's towards present.
Yes, it uses the semi-trailing arm design which dates back to the 700 and Neue Klasse cars.
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
I think the 318's show that BMW did do a KISS car very well and probably gave it reasonable camber specs realizing that the cars needed to have reasonable running costs, but I doubt though the OP sees many of these anymore. I don't think any of the german manufactures(except Volkswagen) have brought a simple car, cheap to run car to N.A. in a decade now.
In 135,000 miles the only suspension work that my wife's 1997 528i required was a set of front struts and two tie rod ends. Her current 2004 X3(now at 139,000 miles) has required no suspension work at all- and only two alignments. It wears out a set of Pirelii PZero Nero All-Seasons in @40,000 miles, but I'm thinking that the Cooper RS3-As I installed might last 15-20 percent longer.
In fairness to the Mazda, since the EGR valve and shocks failed at 60,000 miles it has had no further issues over the subsequent 50,000 miles- but I am a bit apprehensive about keeping it much past 150,000 miles.
I think the 318's show that BMW did do a KISS car very well and probably gave it reasonable camber specs realizing that the cars needed to have reasonable running costs, but I doubt though the OP sees many of these anymore. I don't think any of the german manufactures(except Volkswagen) have brought a simple car, cheap to run car to N.A. in a decade now.
In 135,000 miles the only suspension work that my wife's 1997 528i required was a set of front struts and two tie rod ends. Her current 2004 X3(now at 139,000 miles) has required no suspension work at all- and only two alignments. It wears out a set of Pirelii PZero Nero All-Seasons in @40,000 miles, but I'm thinking that the Cooper RS3-As I installed might last 15-20 percent longer.
In fairness to the Mazda, since the EGR valve and shocks failed at 60,000 miles it has had no further issues over the subsequent 50,000 miles- but I am a bit apprehensive about keeping it much past 150,000 miles.
Originally Posted By: paulo57509
Practically every Porsche I see has weird camber front (positive) AND rear (negative). They must go better this way.
No, that's just to give the car understeer, so that the driver, when they do something boneheaded out on the road, doesn't oversteer their way into a bad situation.
Change the positive front camber to a bit of negative camber, and the cars improve dramatically.
BC.
Practically every Porsche I see has weird camber front (positive) AND rear (negative). They must go better this way.
No, that's just to give the car understeer, so that the driver, when they do something boneheaded out on the road, doesn't oversteer their way into a bad situation.
Change the positive front camber to a bit of negative camber, and the cars improve dramatically.
BC.
Originally Posted By: AlienBug
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Right now, my area is swarming with late model 320 series Bust My's. My son would like one. I tell him to wait a couple of years, there will be a ton of them off lease and the posers will have moved on to some other brand.
So they're posers for buying a new BMW? How exactly is it more honorable to buy their hand-me-downs?
Because the price is closer to what they are WORTH, not what the "gotta have its" are willing to pay.
The irony is I've been riding BMW BIKES for years, their price/value ratio is a whole lot closer to reality than the cars. Might be the heavy Japanese competition. Except for the Howely lovers, bikers are often more value orientated.
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Right now, my area is swarming with late model 320 series Bust My's. My son would like one. I tell him to wait a couple of years, there will be a ton of them off lease and the posers will have moved on to some other brand.
So they're posers for buying a new BMW? How exactly is it more honorable to buy their hand-me-downs?
Because the price is closer to what they are WORTH, not what the "gotta have its" are willing to pay.
The irony is I've been riding BMW BIKES for years, their price/value ratio is a whole lot closer to reality than the cars. Might be the heavy Japanese competition. Except for the Howely lovers, bikers are often more value orientated.
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Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: AlienBug
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Right now, my area is swarming with late model 320 series Bust My's. My son would like one. I tell him to wait a couple of years, there will be a ton of them off lease and the posers will have moved on to some other brand.
So they're posers for buying a new BMW? How exactly is it more honorable to buy their hand-me-downs?
Because the price is closer to what they are WORTH, not what the "gotta have its" are willing to pay.
The irony is I've been riding BMW BIKES for years, their price/value ratio is a whole lot closer to reality than the cars. Might be the heavy Japanese competition. Except for the Howely lovers, bikers are often more value orientated.
A friend of mine that owns several airplanes, cars and love bikes told me one day that he loves his BMW motorbikes, but hates their cars with a passion. I like the bikes as well. Seems to be 2 different companies.....LOL
Originally Posted By: AlienBug
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Right now, my area is swarming with late model 320 series Bust My's. My son would like one. I tell him to wait a couple of years, there will be a ton of them off lease and the posers will have moved on to some other brand.
So they're posers for buying a new BMW? How exactly is it more honorable to buy their hand-me-downs?
Because the price is closer to what they are WORTH, not what the "gotta have its" are willing to pay.
The irony is I've been riding BMW BIKES for years, their price/value ratio is a whole lot closer to reality than the cars. Might be the heavy Japanese competition. Except for the Howely lovers, bikers are often more value orientated.
A friend of mine that owns several airplanes, cars and love bikes told me one day that he loves his BMW motorbikes, but hates their cars with a passion. I like the bikes as well. Seems to be 2 different companies.....LOL
Originally Posted By: brelandt
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: AlienBug
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Right now, my area is swarming with late model 320 series Bust My's. My son would like one. I tell him to wait a couple of years, there will be a ton of them off lease and the posers will have moved on to some other brand.
So they're posers for buying a new BMW? How exactly is it more honorable to buy their hand-me-downs?
Because the price is closer to what they are WORTH, not what the "gotta have its" are willing to pay.
The irony is I've been riding BMW BIKES for years, their price/value ratio is a whole lot closer to reality than the cars. Might be the heavy Japanese competition. Except for the Howely lovers, bikers are often more value orientated.
A friend of mine that owns several airplanes, cars and love bikes told me one day that he loves his BMW motorbikes, but hates their cars with a passion. I like the bikes as well. Seems to be 2 different companies.....LOL
The local BMW bike dealer has been selling them for decades. The owner was offered a BMW CAR franchise back in the late 80's. He said "I wouldn't deal with THOSE p...k customers no matter how much profit was involved". I think this week the local BMW car franchise is owned by Penske, this week anyway.
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: AlienBug
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Right now, my area is swarming with late model 320 series Bust My's. My son would like one. I tell him to wait a couple of years, there will be a ton of them off lease and the posers will have moved on to some other brand.
So they're posers for buying a new BMW? How exactly is it more honorable to buy their hand-me-downs?
Because the price is closer to what they are WORTH, not what the "gotta have its" are willing to pay.
The irony is I've been riding BMW BIKES for years, their price/value ratio is a whole lot closer to reality than the cars. Might be the heavy Japanese competition. Except for the Howely lovers, bikers are often more value orientated.
A friend of mine that owns several airplanes, cars and love bikes told me one day that he loves his BMW motorbikes, but hates their cars with a passion. I like the bikes as well. Seems to be 2 different companies.....LOL
The local BMW bike dealer has been selling them for decades. The owner was offered a BMW CAR franchise back in the late 80's. He said "I wouldn't deal with THOSE p...k customers no matter how much profit was involved". I think this week the local BMW car franchise is owned by Penske, this week anyway.
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i got a 2001 dakota. the steering is off. so dumb a-- why did you,(me), hit that curb? the tech? ITS NOT HIS FAULT!!!
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