Idemitsu ATF TYPE-H PLUS DW-1 For Honda * NEW *
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Originally Posted By: ctechbob
I was having the same thought way back when the Idemitsu stuff was fist being discussed. Everyone threw out how great of a price it was through them, but even with a TaxID number it looks like they're going to want some proof you're 'in the business' so yes, completely worthless prices for the majority of the world.
Which is also why I argue the Advance Auto thing. There's no such thing as a 'coupon' (Other than speed perks) that will get you % off of an oil purchase, so again, unless you're a SpeedPerks member and have a certificate to use, you're paying their full $7.99 price.
NOPE . 100% Wrong.. I pay 10% over gross margin price.. Meaning I pay 10% above cost... and there is a reason for that...
Most people have to pay 25% to 35% over Gross margin.
When I find my receipt i will make a copy and post it.
I was having the same thought way back when the Idemitsu stuff was fist being discussed. Everyone threw out how great of a price it was through them, but even with a TaxID number it looks like they're going to want some proof you're 'in the business' so yes, completely worthless prices for the majority of the world.
Which is also why I argue the Advance Auto thing. There's no such thing as a 'coupon' (Other than speed perks) that will get you % off of an oil purchase, so again, unless you're a SpeedPerks member and have a certificate to use, you're paying their full $7.99 price.
NOPE . 100% Wrong.. I pay 10% over gross margin price.. Meaning I pay 10% above cost... and there is a reason for that...
Most people have to pay 25% to 35% over Gross margin.
When I find my receipt i will make a copy and post it.
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Originally Posted By: ctechbob
I was having the same thought way back when the Idemitsu stuff was fist being discussed. Everyone threw out how great of a price it was through them, but even with a TaxID number it looks like they're going to want some proof you're 'in the business' so yes, completely worthless prices for the majority of the world.
Which is also why I argue the Advance Auto thing. There's no such thing as a 'coupon' (Other than speed perks) that will get you % off of an oil purchase, so again, unless you're a SpeedPerks member and have a certificate to use, you're paying their full $7.99 price.
NOPE . 100% Wrong.. I pay 10% over gross margin price.. Meaning I pay 10% above cost... and there is a reason for that...
Most people have to pay 25% to 35% over Gross margin.
When I find my receipt i will make a copy and post it.
100% wrong on what?
That an end user can buy from WoldPac? If you have an account, I'm sure you probably are paying those prices. My point was that not just anyone can get an account with them.
Originally Posted By: ctechbob
I was having the same thought way back when the Idemitsu stuff was fist being discussed. Everyone threw out how great of a price it was through them, but even with a TaxID number it looks like they're going to want some proof you're 'in the business' so yes, completely worthless prices for the majority of the world.
Which is also why I argue the Advance Auto thing. There's no such thing as a 'coupon' (Other than speed perks) that will get you % off of an oil purchase, so again, unless you're a SpeedPerks member and have a certificate to use, you're paying their full $7.99 price.
NOPE . 100% Wrong.. I pay 10% over gross margin price.. Meaning I pay 10% above cost... and there is a reason for that...
Most people have to pay 25% to 35% over Gross margin.
When I find my receipt i will make a copy and post it.
100% wrong on what?
That an end user can buy from WoldPac? If you have an account, I'm sure you probably are paying those prices. My point was that not just anyone can get an account with them.
Originally Posted By: ctechbob
......100% wrong on what?
That an end user can buy from WoldPac? If you have an account, I'm sure you probably are paying those prices. My point was that not just anyone can get an account with them....
And that is 100% correct 'IME'. After seeing the Worldpac/AAP purchase claim made here and a post HERE promoting it's use decided to do further research on the purported purchase of the topic fluid through AAP with Worldpac pricing. Here's what I found.
Visited three local AAP stores and asked to see the topic fluid, none had it in stock though all could get it in one day. However here's the important part, the price is $7.99/qt retail as I posted in the linked above thread. I also saw it on AAP store parts screens 'as instructed'. I specifically asked each clerk if there was an alternative screen I could see with "Worldpac" pricing, lower pricing. All three gave strange looks. Then I asked, "so this the ONLY pricing you have on Id H+ ATF fluid", they all answered that's it. As one other option called the AAP customer service and asked about getting lower Worldpac pricing and was told no such thing through AAP.
Based on my research while AAP corporate does own Worldpac (since 2013), they remain separate entities. And the Worldpac account information posted in previous post is accurate as confirmed by Critic. The published source of Worldpac account information found in link..... http://www.worldpac.com/acctapp/
So, while I might be interested in H+ at the $5/qt Worldpac wholesale dealer/distributor/business price, uninterested at the ~$8/qt AAP price. For that price, dealer purchased DW1 would make more sense imo.
......100% wrong on what?
That an end user can buy from WoldPac? If you have an account, I'm sure you probably are paying those prices. My point was that not just anyone can get an account with them....
And that is 100% correct 'IME'. After seeing the Worldpac/AAP purchase claim made here and a post HERE promoting it's use decided to do further research on the purported purchase of the topic fluid through AAP with Worldpac pricing. Here's what I found.
Visited three local AAP stores and asked to see the topic fluid, none had it in stock though all could get it in one day. However here's the important part, the price is $7.99/qt retail as I posted in the linked above thread. I also saw it on AAP store parts screens 'as instructed'. I specifically asked each clerk if there was an alternative screen I could see with "Worldpac" pricing, lower pricing. All three gave strange looks. Then I asked, "so this the ONLY pricing you have on Id H+ ATF fluid", they all answered that's it. As one other option called the AAP customer service and asked about getting lower Worldpac pricing and was told no such thing through AAP.
Based on my research while AAP corporate does own Worldpac (since 2013), they remain separate entities. And the Worldpac account information posted in previous post is accurate as confirmed by Critic. The published source of Worldpac account information found in link..... http://www.worldpac.com/acctapp/
So, while I might be interested in H+ at the $5/qt Worldpac wholesale dealer/distributor/business price, uninterested at the ~$8/qt AAP price. For that price, dealer purchased DW1 would make more sense imo.
Good legwork on your part!!
I did buy 8 quarts of the stuff from AA recently just because I had a $20 speedperks to burn and didn't really have much use for it before it would expire. Averaged it down to something like $5.50/qt.
I did buy 8 quarts of the stuff from AA recently just because I had a $20 speedperks to burn and didn't really have much use for it before it would expire. Averaged it down to something like $5.50/qt.
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Originally Posted By: ctechbob
Good legwork on your part!!
I did buy 8 quarts of the stuff from AA recently just because I had a $20 speedperks to burn and didn't really have much use for it before it would expire. Averaged it down to something like $5.50/qt.
Great... Im glad they had it for you....
Good stuff.. i can floor it at a light and i dont get that slamp into 2nd gear anymore..
However I dont really floor my Honda unless i have to.. but there is no moe slamming with this ATF
and I always used to use Honda DW-1
Tell me your results please
Good legwork on your part!!
I did buy 8 quarts of the stuff from AA recently just because I had a $20 speedperks to burn and didn't really have much use for it before it would expire. Averaged it down to something like $5.50/qt.
Great... Im glad they had it for you....
Good stuff.. i can floor it at a light and i dont get that slamp into 2nd gear anymore..
However I dont really floor my Honda unless i have to.. but there is no moe slamming with this ATF
and I always used to use Honda DW-1
Tell me your results please
Originally Posted By: ctechbob
Originally Posted By: David1
Originally Posted By: ctechbob
I was having the same thought way back when the Idemitsu stuff was fist being discussed. Everyone threw out how great of a price it was through them, but even with a TaxID number it looks like they're going to want some proof you're 'in the business' so yes, completely worthless prices for the majority of the world.
Which is also why I argue the Advance Auto thing. There's no such thing as a 'coupon' (Other than speed perks) that will get you % off of an oil purchase, so again, unless you're a SpeedPerks member and have a certificate to use, you're paying their full $7.99 price.
NOPE . 100% Wrong.. I pay 10% over gross margin price.. Meaning I pay 10% above cost... and there is a reason for that...
Most people have to pay 25% to 35% over Gross margin.
When I find my receipt i will make a copy and post it.
100% wrong on what?
That an end user can buy from WoldPac? If you have an account, I'm sure you probably are paying those prices. My point was that not just anyone can get an account with them.
Ohh sorry..
yes your correct.... You have to go into a AAP store that has speed dial / direct sales with WORLD PAC..
Sorry I misunderstood your post.
Originally Posted By: David1
Originally Posted By: ctechbob
I was having the same thought way back when the Idemitsu stuff was fist being discussed. Everyone threw out how great of a price it was through them, but even with a TaxID number it looks like they're going to want some proof you're 'in the business' so yes, completely worthless prices for the majority of the world.
Which is also why I argue the Advance Auto thing. There's no such thing as a 'coupon' (Other than speed perks) that will get you % off of an oil purchase, so again, unless you're a SpeedPerks member and have a certificate to use, you're paying their full $7.99 price.
NOPE . 100% Wrong.. I pay 10% over gross margin price.. Meaning I pay 10% above cost... and there is a reason for that...
Most people have to pay 25% to 35% over Gross margin.
When I find my receipt i will make a copy and post it.
100% wrong on what?
That an end user can buy from WoldPac? If you have an account, I'm sure you probably are paying those prices. My point was that not just anyone can get an account with them.
Ohh sorry..
yes your correct.... You have to go into a AAP store that has speed dial / direct sales with WORLD PAC..
Sorry I misunderstood your post.
ALL AAP are different for some reason.. I dunno why... Prices are different for say a DIY or a Commerical account with a DIAMOND status...
Commercial accounts have Casual / Silver / Gold / Diamond being the very best prices even better then team member discounts... Then that separates the prices.. I have seen 200$ AGM battery sell for 98$ under a diamond commercial account.
The AAP you went to probably had you as a DIY / Do it yourself.
This is probably why there is confusion...
Also speed perks come in handy... also Speed Perks work under commercial accounts
Commercial accounts have Casual / Silver / Gold / Diamond being the very best prices even better then team member discounts... Then that separates the prices.. I have seen 200$ AGM battery sell for 98$ under a diamond commercial account.
The AAP you went to probably had you as a DIY / Do it yourself.
This is probably why there is confusion...
Also speed perks come in handy... also Speed Perks work under commercial accounts
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Used it? What's the source and price? How does it compare to Honda branded stuff in price?
After using it for I would think 3 weeks to a month I can say it feels clearly better then HONDA DW-1 and I never ever thought I would say that..
I knew this owner of this Honda that he bought it new and he always used Honda ATF Z1 and I remember him telling me about DW-1 so when I bought the car from him he told me about using Honda DW-1. I always used DW-1....
Well when I saw this and it clearly said DW-1 I said what the heck.. So I did 3 drain and fills.. a few days apart..
I can tell you I noticed a big difference on the 1st drain and fill..
and when I used to do a drain and fill with Honda DW-1 I never felt any difference.. I always had the same Slam into 2nd Gear and it forced me to creep around.. Now I just figured the car had lots of miles and that's the way it was going to be.
However now I can floor it and its nice firm shift but not a slam... about a year ago I changed the Trans mounts and engine mounts b/c it slammed / jerked so hard into 2nd gear I thought it had to be a mount.. Well guess what?? Same jerk after I replaced em..
Well I can say now that the slam / jerk going into 2nd gear is now gone... I can even floor it from a stop and no jerk..
I drive very easy on my honda, I always have..... I have only done that a hand full of times...
Im 100% sold on this ATF now and would recommend it to anyone
Used it? What's the source and price? How does it compare to Honda branded stuff in price?
After using it for I would think 3 weeks to a month I can say it feels clearly better then HONDA DW-1 and I never ever thought I would say that..
I knew this owner of this Honda that he bought it new and he always used Honda ATF Z1 and I remember him telling me about DW-1 so when I bought the car from him he told me about using Honda DW-1. I always used DW-1....
Well when I saw this and it clearly said DW-1 I said what the heck.. So I did 3 drain and fills.. a few days apart..
I can tell you I noticed a big difference on the 1st drain and fill..
and when I used to do a drain and fill with Honda DW-1 I never felt any difference.. I always had the same Slam into 2nd Gear and it forced me to creep around.. Now I just figured the car had lots of miles and that's the way it was going to be.
However now I can floor it and its nice firm shift but not a slam... about a year ago I changed the Trans mounts and engine mounts b/c it slammed / jerked so hard into 2nd gear I thought it had to be a mount.. Well guess what?? Same jerk after I replaced em..
Well I can say now that the slam / jerk going into 2nd gear is now gone... I can even floor it from a stop and no jerk..
I drive very easy on my honda, I always have..... I have only done that a hand full of times...
Im 100% sold on this ATF now and would recommend it to anyone
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Originally Posted By: ctechbob
Good legwork on your part!!
I did buy 8 quarts of the stuff from AA recently just because I had a $20 speedperks to burn and didn't really have much use for it before it would expire. Averaged it down to something like $5.50/qt.
So how were your results with the Idemitsu ATF TYPE-H PLUS DW-1 ??
Did you notice any improvements??? \
If so please share.
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Thank you.
Good legwork on your part!!
I did buy 8 quarts of the stuff from AA recently just because I had a $20 speedperks to burn and didn't really have much use for it before it would expire. Averaged it down to something like $5.50/qt.
So how were your results with the Idemitsu ATF TYPE-H PLUS DW-1 ??
Did you notice any improvements??? \
If so please share.
|
Thank you.
Haven't used it yet. The TL is coming up on a 3qt drain and fill, but I still have older stock of DW1 left to use (First in First out) so it will be some time yet. I don't think the wifes 2000 is due and my 2003 daily is also probably not due until the fall.
Originally Posted By: ctechbob
Haven't used it yet. The TL is coming up on a 3qt drain and fill, but I still have older stock of DW1 left to use (First in First out) so it will be some time yet. I don't think the wifes 2000 is due and my 2003 daily is also probably not due until the fall.
okay i was just wondering but try to let me know.
thanks.
Haven't used it yet. The TL is coming up on a 3qt drain and fill, but I still have older stock of DW1 left to use (First in First out) so it will be some time yet. I don't think the wifes 2000 is due and my 2003 daily is also probably not due until the fall.
okay i was just wondering but try to let me know.
thanks.
Finally did 3qts out and in on my 03 Accord. I can report...not much. The Idemitsu stuff smells just like DW1 from Honda and I can report no real change in the car other than it works. Don't notice any difference in the operation of the thing.
There is no SAE specs equivalent for transmission fluid, so if the manufacturers say you should such theirs, believe it.
It's true Honda does not make their own transmission fluid, and they probably do make all the parts in the car themselves but rest assure the DW1 and the Idemitsu are equivalent.
The Max Life and Citgo stuff, not so much. They always put words like "suitable for X where Y is recommended", what I don't hear a bunch of "if".
It's true Honda does not make their own transmission fluid, and they probably do make all the parts in the car themselves but rest assure the DW1 and the Idemitsu are equivalent.
The Max Life and Citgo stuff, not so much. They always put words like "suitable for X where Y is recommended", what I don't hear a bunch of "if".
Originally Posted by newbe46
There is no SAE specs equivalent for transmission fluid, so if the manufacturers say you should such theirs, believe it.
It's true Honda does not make their own transmission fluid, and they probably do make all the parts in the car themselves but rest assure the DW1 and the Idemitsu are equivalent.
The Max Life and Citgo stuff, not so much. They always put words like "suitable for X where Y is recommended", what I don't hear a bunch of "if".
You do not hear if because there is no if. Castrol, Valvoline, Exxon-Mobil, Amsoil, Shell, and ect state if thier product is suitable it will preform just as well. Companies can not risk the bad press and financial loss. Also the manufacturer places a bid for a supplier to produce the ATF for the factory fill. Doing so the performance of the lube has to be disclosed before a bid for the product can be made. Thus the companies producing the ATF knows what criteria the fluid has. This is in addition to the testing each producer conducts. To top all this off only a relative few produce the synthetic base stocks for ATF and there are even fewer additive suppliers.
Then you add the statements made for type H plus with very broad statements such as oxidation resistance without details on how nothing else can match the performance of type H plus. If there are transmissions so sensitive on type of synthetic LV fluid causes damage over another synthetic LV fluid the OEM has serious issues and what type of recommended fluid is not one of them.
There is no SAE specs equivalent for transmission fluid, so if the manufacturers say you should such theirs, believe it.
It's true Honda does not make their own transmission fluid, and they probably do make all the parts in the car themselves but rest assure the DW1 and the Idemitsu are equivalent.
The Max Life and Citgo stuff, not so much. They always put words like "suitable for X where Y is recommended", what I don't hear a bunch of "if".
You do not hear if because there is no if. Castrol, Valvoline, Exxon-Mobil, Amsoil, Shell, and ect state if thier product is suitable it will preform just as well. Companies can not risk the bad press and financial loss. Also the manufacturer places a bid for a supplier to produce the ATF for the factory fill. Doing so the performance of the lube has to be disclosed before a bid for the product can be made. Thus the companies producing the ATF knows what criteria the fluid has. This is in addition to the testing each producer conducts. To top all this off only a relative few produce the synthetic base stocks for ATF and there are even fewer additive suppliers.
Then you add the statements made for type H plus with very broad statements such as oxidation resistance without details on how nothing else can match the performance of type H plus. If there are transmissions so sensitive on type of synthetic LV fluid causes damage over another synthetic LV fluid the OEM has serious issues and what type of recommended fluid is not one of them.
I serviced wifey's 2006 TSX today with Idemitsu Type H.
This car has had a steady diet of Honda DW-1 fluid for it's 180K miles.
The Idemitsu definitely pulls better.
I ain't buying no more Honda swill.
This car has had a steady diet of Honda DW-1 fluid for it's 180K miles.
The Idemitsu definitely pulls better.
I ain't buying no more Honda swill.
Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
I serviced wifey's 2006 TSX today with Idemitsu Type H.
This car has had a steady diet of Honda DW-1 fluid for it's 180K miles.
The Idemitsu definitely pulls better.
I ain't buying no more Honda swill.
Is there a reason you used the H (Z1) instead of the H Plus(DW1)?
Just curious.
I serviced wifey's 2006 TSX today with Idemitsu Type H.
This car has had a steady diet of Honda DW-1 fluid for it's 180K miles.
The Idemitsu definitely pulls better.
I ain't buying no more Honda swill.
Is there a reason you used the H (Z1) instead of the H Plus(DW1)?
Just curious.
Originally Posted by ctechbob
Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
I serviced wifey's 2006 TSX today with Idemitsu Type H.
This car has had a steady diet of Honda DW-1 fluid for it's 180K miles.
The Idemitsu definitely pulls better.
I ain't buying no more Honda swill.
Is there a reason you used the H (Z1) instead of the H Plus(DW1)?
Just curious.
My mistake - it was H Plus. Thanks ctechbob.
Need to read the plastic bottle better.
And the bottle's material seemed to allow the fluid to drain completely; I did not have to hold it for an extended period to empty it.
Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
I serviced wifey's 2006 TSX today with Idemitsu Type H.
This car has had a steady diet of Honda DW-1 fluid for it's 180K miles.
The Idemitsu definitely pulls better.
I ain't buying no more Honda swill.
Is there a reason you used the H (Z1) instead of the H Plus(DW1)?
Just curious.
My mistake - it was H Plus. Thanks ctechbob.
Need to read the plastic bottle better.
And the bottle's material seemed to allow the fluid to drain completely; I did not have to hold it for an extended period to empty it.
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I'm a skeptic - I don't believe that any oil/fluid blender produces a "special" mixture for companies A, B, C, and so on. At least not your Fords, Hondas, Nissans, and so on. Package a pre-existing product into unique bottles and labels ? Yeap, going to happen every day ! Company "A" desires a fluid that meets specs x, y, z, etc, etc and reaches out to Castrol, Valvoline, etc and those companies come back and say "our product 'F' meets all of your specs and even exceeds many of them substantially".
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I'm a skeptic - I don't believe that any oil/fluid blender produces a "special" mixture for companies A, B, C, and so on. At least not your Fords, Hondas, Nissans, and so on. Package a pre-existing product into unique bottles and labels ? Yeap, going to happen every day ! Company "A" desires a fluid that meets specs x, y, z, etc, etc and reaches out to Castrol, Valvoline, etc and those companies come back and say "our product 'F' meets all of your specs and even exceeds many of them substantially".
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