ICE vehicles will be 75% of US car market in 2025

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I literally linked to a .gov website that outlines the entire thing. There are proposals to change this rule, its existed for as long as EV's - but as of a short time ago at least it still stood.

So don't insult me - read. https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...petroleum-equivalent-fuel-economy-calculation

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So you bring up a number inflated above the 2022 number which was critized and these numbers are already revised for 2024? I get they inflate some numbers, but can we use real numbers? For whatever reason they don't plan to use the real number for about 5 more years(I don't get it either) but you're still lying about the numbers. What's the point in that?

This thread is a joke.
 
So you bring up a number inflated above the 2022 number which was critized and these numbers are already revised for 2024? I get they inflate some numbers, but can we use real numbers? For whatever reason they don't plan to use the real number for about 5 more years(I don't get it either) but you're still lying about the numbers. What's the point in that?

This thread is a joke.
What did I lie about?

Again, your refusing to actually read when presented with facts. Those numbers were still in affect - at least until a couple weeks ago. The 2022 numbers were used because that is when the rule change proposal was officially started. The proposed new rules were not even to take affect until the 2027 model year, and even that was not final, because that recommendation also needs to go through a comment and review process, so even 2027 was not final.

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So, instead of a federal mandate (which would be politically radioactive, legal issues, etc.), the federal government used CA to push its agenda.
OK. We agree on that.
But how is that different for consumers and citizens?
Most evidence says CA drags the Fed kicking and screaming along.

OEMs write the laws that oversee themselves at the fed level. (Revolving door or auto bros into and out of the epa) Let that sink in. It’s theater, if a domestic OEM has big problem the law is altered to ease their pain. Like Fords HD exemptions that covered much of their pickup production for nearly 20 years.

If the original emissions projectory from decades ago was actually followed it would be nearly impossible to buy anything other than an 80mpg 2 door car and EVs weren’t included. Original emissions regs were more biased to fuel economy and not nox and other fractions of pollutants. (Rightly so)
OEMs eroded this many times to allow big stuff to be exempt in many ways including the EV loophole. Every vehicle on the road being a light truck when they clearly aren’t exempt’s manufacturers from stiffer crash and emissions requirements as example.

Everything the Fed does is at the behest of whoever lobbies the most.

Our platform law framework is for market protection, emissions framework, market protection, crash framework market protection. EV production, market protection and subsidization.

We here in the peanut gallery eat up the false pretense “he doth protests much” when both sides of the issue walk out hand in hand for beer after riling us up, and you know your arguments are based on a moot point as those giving you the talking points are in full agreement with the other side, anything done to appease is only for show and meaningless, done only to create a false division that doesn’t really exist up the totem pole.

Always nice being able to blame your decisions on someone else.
 
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I never said that.
All I am saying is, facts matter, words matter. Otherwise we are not communicating. There never was a Federal EV mandate; it's a fabrication.
Again, the last time we declared war was on June 5th 1942. However, subsequent wars were far from fabrication.
 
From what I can see ..

The latest move only freezes the requirement at the 2027 number, and halts at 2028 tightening.

It doesn't reverse anything already in play or stop the manufacturers from building to the 2027 specs.

If so this means we aren't going backwards to the stuff we all want, but its going to ratchet up one more notch and new ice vehicles will have all of todays "stuff" PLUS a GPF like we see in the new Maverick.
 
This thread is too funny, lots of smoke and mirrors. *LOL* Almost comical and why I am keeping posts short (for once)
I posted in this thread a couple pages back. The EPA (federal government NOT California) Set emission standards that the EPA ADMITTED would force gasoline automakers to build Electric Vehicles to the tune of up to 40% of certain models in order to meet those standards for the company.
This is too comical to address those who do not look like being forced to produce electric vehicles be EPA requirements is not a mandate. However, why are we even discussing anymore? (Me included) Its gone, the EPA requirements are being thrown out by the new administration. Case closed ;)
 
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