ICE vehicles will be 75% of US car market in 2025
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I have one, with an M18 battery adapter for backup power too. They're a lifesaver.
When the tax credits were halved in 2019, and then ended, Tesla continued its rapid growth. Of course, that was a different time. Given most car manufacturers lose money on their EV business, a sales decline will be painful as margins suffer.
IMO, a good, low priced "Civic/Corolla" EV will pump up sales. Charging issues need to be addressed as well. Around here, condos and apartments have been installing chargers due to demand.
Time will tell.
What’s broadband access? My options are 3Mbps for $79/mo thru Frontier. It’s the only option where I live. No T3, DSL, Fiber, or cable. Period. I live 20 minutes from Muncie, Indiana, which is decidedly not “the sticks” considering it’s been an manufacturing center.
I also could get 4G hotspot for $120/mo, and speeds vary and frequently drop out even though the tower is 347 yards from my house. I ended up changing to Starlink for the same $120/mo and speeds vary some but bottom out about 120Mbps.
Were also one asteroid or virus away from extinction, or one bomb away from WW3. Doesn't make it so.
An EV is not tranformational. It takes me from A to B just like a 1920 Model T. Main difference is it burns coal at a plant 100 miles away instead of gasoline I buy down the street.
Refrigeration allowed us to keep fresh food. Transformational
Fiber optics been around since early 70's. There is a ton of dark fiber in the ground from 2000 thats never been used. Only reason its a hot button now is its cheaper than copper and the ISP can now charge $100 a month instead of 40 so you can stream the same Netflix to 4 rooms at once so everyone can watch TV alone. Not really transformational either. Profitable for some.
I'd like to see how many sell without the subsidies.
Coal or natural gas, depending where you live.
Tesla is a status symbol. The BMW from 20 years ago. Different thing IMHO. BMW and Mercedes never did well entering the low cost market. I advise against it.
How about a nice Qin plus starting under $19K with 300+ mile range. But were not allowed to have one of those?
https://ev.motorwatt.com/ev-database/database-electric-cars/byd-qin-plus-ev
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Kentucky right next-door to a huge Bucces gas station, you never see the electric vehicle pumps being used, right beside I 75 south and north ,one of the most busiest highways in the United States
Nobody in my area drives electric vehicles
Teslas were a status symbol around here years ago, but that's changed. The cost of gas around here is crazy. I imagine Teslas are status symbols in many other areas; they are pricey.
But let's take Elon's crystal clear guidance:
- "A $25,000 Tesla would be silly and pointless."
- “we are still on track to deliver our affordable models starting in the first half of 2025.”
Coal is only 16% of our power production in the US, but at least with an EV it’s possible to make EVs even cleaner by improving power production. You’re correct in your point though.
Tesla did fine last time at least. I think that’s why Elon isn’t against getting rid of the subsidy. Time will tell.
Umm, you forgot BC, Manitoba and Quebec in Canada with almost 100% hydro, and Ontario with mostly Nuclear power.
Elon knows the subsidies help Tesla's competition a lot more than they help Tesla. Tesla's margins allow for price flexibility; that's leverage.
They’re already low cost at the entry level. They have a $35k model. Heck in the time I’ve owned a Tesla(just over 2 years now) the insults have drastically changed. It went from “no one can afford those fancy expensive electric cars” to “for the same price of those today with the price cuts you could buy (insert car here) and now you’re stuck with the depreciation”.
I just don’t get it anymore.
Don't worry @Torrid. Teslas are only for rich California granola heads. They will be belly up any day now.
Mark my words. Oh, and "Wait till the Big boys get in!"
BYD is the big boy. They have been told to stay home.
1/2 of median household income for a compact car isn't low cost by any measure. Perhaps there are no low cost cars anymore.
Before I bought my Tesla I’d always tell my wife we were taking her California Camry when we go to Madison since it would blend in there.
There aren’t. A base Jetta is $23k and there’s not really anything low cost these days. I don’t think $35k is cheap for a car, but it’s far lower than the average sales price in the US currently. The average sales price is currently higher than the median income in my area. I don’t know who’s buying these cars to be honest.
EV's grew very little last year . from like 7.4% share to 8% share. . Tesla sales actually shrunk for the first time. On a total vehicle market of 15.9M sales and growing. So EV"s are still a small fraction.
If they truly were transformational they should be growing exponentially. Like smart phone sales. or LED TV's. The tech they replaced pretty much vanished. Not meaning people threw away their old CRT TV. But when it was time for a new one, there was no debate.
Us nerds can weigh the pro's and cons, but most people wish to go from A to B. For EV's to take over, we will need $19K EV'.s Or $8 gas. Or government can mandate ICE illegal, like R12 AC systems.
Otherwise there still just a car. Or a status symbol for some.
$35k status symbols still makes me laugh.
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