I see many diesel trucks spewing black soot...

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Originally Posted By: beanoil
Originally Posted By: Miller88



Originally Posted By: horse123
At the same time those emissions systems are why diesel trucks get such awful MPG and cost so much to run and have such terrible reliability since 2007ish


Yup. If I were to buy a new 3/4 or 1 ton truck (and I have a use for one currently), I wouldn't even bother with a diesel. I'd get a gas engine and gear it low. Too much to go wrong with, mileage isn't that great any more either.

horse is spot on. EGR to an engine is like what smoking does to your lungs. There is urea injection ( now we all know where the wee wee goes) and soot traps. And the price paid is poorer fuel mileage and shorter engine life.
I'll keep my 03 Powerstroke. Minimal pollution gear aboard. I'm running a mild FICM tune, no smoke, and am right at 20MPG highway. And this is where a diesel proves it's worth. With the 10k RV hooked up I still get about 13.5 MPG, and I can get that thing to highway speed quicker than any gas burner, and keep it there.


Yours must be the last of the 7.3 liters. Although I don't think they have a FICM, the 03 model was the worst model made of the 6.0
 
Originally Posted By: horse123
Hillbilly late teens early 20ers that want to rail 16 year old girls at horse barrel racing shows.

That and adult men who are either compensating or have a very low IQ.

Quality, reputable diesel tuners generally refuse to do smoke tunes. These kids are buying generic "tuners" on the internet for $500 and pressing a button to make the engine run far too rich, which creates the black smoke. What a great use of money.


Racist!
 
One of my trucks has a tune and deletes and smokes a little under hard acceleration.

My other truck has it's DPF/Cat intact and fully operational and smokes a little under hard acceleration.

I guess other states see this as a major problem.

Florida statutes allow a diesel vehicle to emit any amount of smoke under acceleration.

I'm not a fan of coal rolling. It's so dumb. I blow by Rams and Fords "rolling coal" all of the time while emitting nothing visible. I was on the highway last weekend behind a truck that was blowing huge clouds every time it accelerated to jockey for position. I glided right by him with no smoke coming out.

As for going gas over diesel? Sure. Enjoy never hauling really heavy stuff.
 
Originally Posted By: Miller88
BRO, do you even TRUCK!?!?!? This is my CUMMINGS DURASTROKE and I gots my tow mirrors fully extended, my rockstar XD wheels on with Nitto Bro-Grapplers and a cheap stereo blasting Luke Aldean, BRO!


Hahah! That's pretty much it to a T in my small mountain town. Mom and dad buy their kid a diesel truck and they do that stupid junk to them. You can now no-longer find a diesel truck that hasn't been hacked up and a poor tune put on. I really think most are trying to compensate for something...
 
What's the ground clearance supposed to be on modern 3/4 and 1 ton trucks? I see a lot of Rams and Chevys that sit reallllly high, like I'm almost suspicious someone drove straight to the shop after they bought it and lifted it. Have they gotten higher or am I just crazy, or are that many people actually lifting them immediately after buying them?
 
Why put an emission system on a diesel if you are not going to enforce it's use? Doesn't make sense.

All this news on how wrong VW was to cheat on their diesel vehicles and yet there are diesel trucks running around "rolling coal" and nothing seems to be said about it.
 
Originally Posted By: horse123
What's the ground clearance supposed to be on modern 3/4 and 1 ton trucks? I see a lot of Rams and Chevys that sit reallllly high, like I'm almost suspicious someone drove straight to the shop after they bought it and lifted it. Have they gotten higher or am I just crazy, or are that many people actually lifting them immediately after buying them?


Some of them come pretty high. Rams in particular.
 
Originally Posted By: beanoil
Originally Posted By: Miller88



Originally Posted By: horse123
At the same time those emissions systems are why diesel trucks get such awful MPG and cost so much to run and have such terrible reliability since 2007ish


Yup. If I were to buy a new 3/4 or 1 ton truck (and I have a use for one currently), I wouldn't even bother with a diesel. I'd get a gas engine and gear it low. Too much to go wrong with, mileage isn't that great any more either.

horse is spot on. EGR to an engine is like what smoking does to your lungs. There is urea injection ( now we all know where the wee wee goes) and soot traps. And the price paid is poorer fuel mileage and shorter engine life.
I'll keep my 03 Powerstroke. Minimal pollution gear aboard. I'm running a mild FICM tune, no smoke, and am right at 20MPG highway. And this is where a diesel proves it's worth. With the 10k RV hooked up I still get about 13.5 MPG, and I can get that thing to highway speed quicker than any gas burner, and keep it there.


A 7.3 is probably the newest diesel I would consider owning. On a modern truck, a diesel is a $7000 premium. Throw in the cost of maintenance and repairs (a new set of injectors for a 6.7 is $6000, Urea system is $10,000 - and they are always going bad nomatter what make) and fuel economy that's going to be less than your 2003 ... no thanks.

I'll save some money initially, spend a bit more on fuel and spend the money to get it with 4.30 gears.

When my theoretical gas engine wears out at 250K miles, I can replace it with a new one for less than a set of injectors.
 
I own a 7.3 and had a 6.7 for awhile. You are making a mistake limiting yourself the the 7.3. That motor was legend and for good reason but the world has passed it by. My 6.7 was a monster and did things the 7.3 could only dream of. Of course if you can get away with a gasser than the 6.7 is not the best tool. Exactly the reason I no longer own mine, my needs changed and I now have the F150.

The rolling coal mod that people do just makes me smh. It is one customization I just could never understand.
 
I marvel at how these young fellas have the resources to buy and maintain these coal-rolling fuel guzzlers. I see it in my area too. One jackazz lives down the road from me with a Ford w/ open exhaust and he must have just a cone air filter right on the inlet of the turbo compressor. Lord if that isn't obnoxious.
 
the solution is simple, mandatory emission testing of all road vehicles

the loosers who roll coal will be caught for emissions tampering and their trucks will be taken off the road

you would never get away with this pollution in California

I await the replies from the "liberty crowd" who view smog tests as a "scam" or "tax"
 
Originally Posted By: 2004tdigls
the solution is simple, mandatory emission testing of all road vehicles

the loosers who roll coal will be caught for emissions tampering and their trucks will be taken off the road

you would never get away with this pollution in California

I await the replies from the "liberty crowd" who view smog tests as a "scam" or "tax"


The tuner crowd will just keep a separate "clean" tune in the truck that they can switch to in order to pass. That's usually how they get away with it up here.
 
Originally Posted By: horse123
That and adult men who are either compensating or have a very low IQ.


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BC.
 
Which engine has more power becomes pointless if you ever consider tuning the engine. You can get a 15 year old diesel that puts out more power than a 2016 with less than $5000 of work (still ending up way cheaper in the end), and it will probably last longer too.
 
Originally Posted By: horse123
Which engine has more power becomes pointless if you ever consider tuning the engine. You can get a 15 year old diesel that puts out more power than a 2016 with less than $5000 of work (still ending up way cheaper in the end), and it will probably last longer too.

Except you're not driving an engine down the road; you're driving a complete truck, which is something that those who lust after these pre-emission diesels seem to forget.

Pick whatever 2001 truck you'd like. Please explain for us how you're not only going to get it to 2016 power levels, but do so with the ability to run hard/tow heavy all day long at those ratings (same as any new truck).
 
no not really, all the inspectors have to do is put the truck up on the hoist to see that the cat converter, egr system or dpf system has been removed (which is rampant in the tuner crowd) and then issue an instant fail for tampering
 
Originally Posted By: JTK
I marvel at how these young fellas have the resources to buy and maintain these coal-rolling fuel guzzlers. I see it in my area too. One jackazz lives down the road from me with a Ford w/ open exhaust and he must have just a cone air filter right on the inlet of the turbo compressor. Lord if that isn't obnoxious.


I have a feeling that their monthly payments are nearly as much as their income.
 
Originally Posted By: 2004tdigls
no not really, all the inspectors have to do is put the truck up on the hoist to see that the cat converter, egr system or dpf system has been removed (which is rampant in the tuner crowd) and then issue an instant fail for tampering


You can make the EGR completely non-functional and it still looks like it is there. You can do the same with the DPF and cat. I'm not saying that all guys are smart enough to do it, but some are. On the 6.0L PSD Ford you could completely disable the EGR by unplugging it and it didn't set a code/CEL.

It is usually the MTO that catches the tuner boys up here from what I've seen, not the drive clean facilities. Of course you are in BC and I am in Ontario, so there are probably some other differences too
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