I need a long lasting fuel efficient vehicle (not a hybrid, electric, or PHEV)

[CKN]

Do the ecoboosts still use a plastic oil pan?

They are a composite. And I don't know if the 2023 has them or not. A very, very few leak if that's what you are getting out.

 

[Redhawk454]

They are a composite. And I don't know if the 2023 has them or not. A very, very few leak if that's what you are getting out.

I buy keeper vehicles. Ford and other manufacturers don’t build cars for people
Who plan to keep them. They expect people
To trade in every few years.

Metal and composite warm up at different rates. Can’t imagine that’s a recipe for a 300k mile motor

 

[slacktide_bitog]

Corolla hatchback

The new HR-V that came out for 2023 is GDI, but it's no problem at all. The previous gen HR-V is not DI, and is also SOHC, very simple.

The Chevy Spark was sold until 2022 and wasn't DI. I'm not sure whether the Mirage was GDI or not.

Since you like Subaru, the non-turbo Forester only got direct injection starting in 2019. So a 2018 non-turbo Forester will not be GDI.

People don't like the Dodge Journey, but it seems simple enough to be BITOG-friendly. Also, none of them had GDI.

 

[CKN]

Corolla hatchback

The new HR-V that came out for 2023 is GDI, but it's no problem at all. The previous gen HR-V is not DI, and is also SOHC, very simple.

The Chevy Spark was sold until 2022 and wasn't DI. I'm not sure whether the Mirage was GDI or not.

Since you like Subaru, the non-turbo Forester only got direct injection starting in 2019. So a 2018 non-turbo Forester will not be GDI.

People don't like the Dodge Journey, but it seems simple enough to be BITOG-friendly. Also, none of them had GDI.

Dodge Journeys are great if you want a mediocre late model 10 year old tech CUV.

 

[jetman]

Toyota

 

[DuckRyder]

If you want ancient technology just buy a Ural and embrace it...

 

[supton]

I buy keeper vehicles. Ford and other manufacturers don’t build cars for people
Who plan to keep them. They expect people
To trade in every few years.

Metal and composite warm up at different rates. Can’t imagine that’s a recipe for a 300k mile motor

I think you'd be surprised. There are a number of 200k+ Ecoboosts out there. Composite valve covers have been around for a while too.

Worst case, you buy a replacement part and move on--you do check your oil, and under your car, on a regular basis, right? It's not like these items are going to shatter and suddenly lose all oil. They might crack, and then they will be giving a slow leak that can be seen.

I just picked up a 2 year old Corolla with a PFI engine, but it likely fails your test, as it has a CVT (it's ok, I don't think it's a 200k item either). I realize you're trying to hedge your bets here, pick something robust, but nothing lasts forever. And I have to pose the question: let's say my CVT saves me 1,000 gallons of gas by when it dies. That could be like $4k in gas savings. If I can get the trans replaced for less than that, am I ahead? Annoyed most certainly. But am I ahead of the Crown Vic owner insisting they have a 400k car (while getting at best 25mpg)? [I have no idea what it will cost to replace, but I have to wonder, with millions of them getting sold, if replacement cost will not come down dramatically.]

I have an older Camry with the 5S-FE. It gets 30mpg while being driven like a rented mule. Would that fit your needs? Yeah it's a timing belt, but it's like an afternoon to do, and it's a non-interference engine at that. [I'd wager that my old Camry would be here after I trade out of this Corolla, but I know NH road salt will do its best to ensure that won't happen.]

 

[SC Maintenance]

The Toyota Rav4 in my sig is GDI+MPI, gets 35mpg on the highway, and has a 8 speed automatic. The new Camry's are the same if you prefer the Sedan. It doesn't dillute that I can tell, nor have I ever heard anyone else say there's did. Its been in the Camry since 2018 and the Rav4 since 2019 so they have sold millions - if there were big issues we would likely know.

Now its about as boring to drive as watching paint dry. Get the upgraded sound system so you have something else to do.

As for composite - I don't want a composite oil pan either. I would rather have something down there that dented instead of crack. However my composite valve covers on my 2008 Xterra are original at 393,000 miles without issue.

 

[eljefino]

They make a Prius in AWD. The ground clearance is slightly better than a regular Prius but lower than the Subarus.

Yeah you say no hybrids, but your highway driving should be on ICE most of the time. The Prius CVT is the gold standard in reliability. And it's got regular old fuel injection.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla are the safe choices. I would be looking at a Mazda 3 after our recent rental experience.
If you are willing to look at a hybrid, Toyota makes the best. That new Prius might be fun, if you can get one at a decent price.

 

[KiNETiCA]

I'm in the market for a new or newer fuel efficient vehicle. not interested in a hybrid, electric, or PHEV vehicle.

I'd prefer something that isnt GDI or something that wont dilute the motor oil..

I havent been involved int the new car market for some time.

Im kindof interested in a new or newer crosstrek, i dont know what the consensus is on here with those vehicles.

I've had one subaru that was junk at 99k miles, because the turbocharger grenaded and i was told by a subaru mechanic that the bearings and other turbocharger metal were circulating in the motor oil and the engine was toast (he really said this). Had something to do with the sludge screen.

With that said i kindof want a subaru, not sure if i should avoid the turbocharged ones.. only because they're slightly lifted enough to take them on some forest roads in Colorado and Wyoming to go camping in.

I've read that the consensus on new gas engines in passenger cars (with the exception being the heavy duty gas engines such as the Ford 6.2, 7.3 and now 6.8, and chevy 6.6 gas v8's) is that they're junk, they dilute the motor oil, they have low tensions rings etc.)

I didnt know if that was true for all of them. I've read that anything ecoboost is something to run away from.

Manual KIA Rio, while they are still available... the only thing that is 'high tech' on these is a coolant control valve assembly called ITM module, does same duty as a thermostat yet it is ~$500 from a dealer. Otherwise no stop start port injected simple vehicle.

 

[riverblue]

Corolla hatchback

The new HR-V that came out for 2023 is GDI, but it's no problem at all. The previous gen HR-V is not DI, and is also SOHC, very simple.

The Chevy Spark was sold until 2022 and wasn't DI. I'm not sure whether the Mirage was GDI or not.

Since you like Subaru, the non-turbo Forester only got direct injection starting in 2019. So a 2018 non-turbo Forester will not be GDI.

People don't like the Dodge Journey, but it seems simple enough to be BITOG-friendly. Also, none of them had GDI.

The new HR-V has a port-injected K20 under the hood. Essentially the same engine that's fitted to the Civic LX and Sport.

 

[PimTac]

I buy keeper vehicles. Ford and other manufacturers don’t build cars for people
Who plan to keep them. They expect people
To trade in every few years.

Metal and composite warm up at different rates. Can’t imagine that’s a recipe for a 300k mile motor

Then you are out of luck. Most intake manifolds are composites. Lots of parts are composites.

 

[Zee09]

Mitsubishi Outlander Sport SE
Port injected... great warranty and super easy maintenance.
Real world mpg hwy 30...
Reliable...
AWD

 

[Powerglide56]

Geo Prizm LSi

 

[Redhawk454]

I buy keeper vehicles. Ford and other manufacturers don’t build cars for people
Who’s any to keep them. They expect people
To trade in every few years.

Metal and composite warm up at different rates. Can’t imagine that’s a recipe for a 300k mike motor

Then you are out of luck. Most intake manifolds are composites. Lots of parts are composites.

I know a lot of newer engines have plastic stuff on them.. If I get high sided on some forest road in Colorado I’d rather have a steel pan than a composite one if I hit something. Hell, even a flying rock on the highway could crack it.

 

[PimTac]

I know a lot of newer engines have plastic stuff on them.. If I get high sided on some forest road in Colorado I’d rather have a steel pan than a composite one if I hit something. Hell, even a flying rock on the highway could crack it.

Good luck with your search.

 

[macarose]

I'm in the market for a new or newer fuel efficient vehicle. not interested in a hybrid, electric, or PHEV vehicle.

I'd prefer something that isnt GDI or something that wont dilute the motor oil..

I havent been involved int the new car market for some time.

Im kindof interested in a new or newer crosstrek, i dont know what the consensus is on here with those vehicles.

I've had one subaru that was junk at 99k miles, because the turbocharger grenaded and i was told by a subaru mechanic that the bearings and other turbocharger metal were circulating in the motor oil and the engine was toast (he really said this). Had something to do with the sludge screen.

With that said i kindof want a subaru, not sure if i should avoid the turbocharged ones.. only because they're slightly lifted enough to take them on some forest roads in Colorado and Wyoming to go camping in.

I've read that the consensus on new gas engines in passenger cars (with the exception being the heavy duty gas engines such as the Ford 6.2, 7.3 and now 6.8, and chevy 6.6 gas v8's) is that they're junk, they dilute the motor oil, they have low tensions rings etc.)

I didnt know if that was true for all of them. I've read that anything ecoboost is something to run away from.

Go to 48 Hours And A Used Car on Facebook. Not that the owner of that site would be typing out these exact words, but, it is a half-hour until midnight and I'm apparently not going to bed quite yet.

Also .. this site...

Dashboard-light.con

 

[fsdork]

I know a lot of newer engines have plastic stuff on them.. If I get high sided on some forest road in Colorado I’d rather have a steel pan than a composite one if I hit something. Hell, even a flying rock on the highway could crack it.

Finding a vehicle with skid plates should be a higher priority than worrying about what material the oil pan is made of.

 

[1000MPH]

My 4runner fits your MPG requirements. Drivetrain is considered pretty reliable. Resale pretty good too.