Honestly, I'm hoping that a little bit of indulgence after a discussion like this one can take some of the edge off.
I found this interesting, regarding the cold...........
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Honestly, I'm hoping that a little bit of indulgence after a discussion like this one can take some of the edge off.
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Well, don’t use heat.
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He never had any weakness on any car when he owns them. Once he dropes them, he finds issues.
I mean his Mazda and RAV4 were at one point in competition with AMG.
Current one is in competition with Koenigsegg. It just needs to finish that lap.
But that would take this topic off topic. We don't agree on much.
EVs have some weaknesses.
Range in the cold or heat ?
yeah they come up shorter and shorter the hotter it is or colder it is.
C rate charging taking longer and longer if it’s cold or hot ? Absolutely…. they will take quite a bit longer in either circumstance.
Those same exact weaknesses troubled regular combustion motors as well way back in the 1920s 1930s and into the 1940s.
They are issues there that affect their performance.
Do they work ?
Yes.
With limitations…
Which may not matter to people who use them based upon their regular routine usage patterns.
That does not mean that can’t or won’t change going forward.
Changes in heat / cooling management systems in them will assist them a whole lot as that gets better. Battery chemistry changes will make them better and more capable going forward.
Power charging will get better as that network grows and grows moving forward.
Just like gasoline powered vehicles had issues before gas stations became much more plentiful as time went for from the 1920s and 1930s and into the 1940s.
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At moderate temperatures, most current EVs are practially appliances that are very good at providing estimated range. However, at temperature extremes, it takes a bit of planning, but it's not insurmountable. And that's with current technology.
My GT was about 5% off in its estimation over 85mi today in 0f.
While doing that comparison don’t forget to add up emissions from oil discovery, extraction, shipping, refinery and then shipping fuel to fuel stations. People seem to forget about it and take it for granted…
This is some design issue early cars aren't designed for. I think after this kind of incident they will update some software to change some algorithm to make it "just charge and get out of the way if you can't precondition anyways" override. I'm sure the first gasoline car was no match for horses that have evolved over thousands of years after being domesticated by humans.
About the politics of banning ICE, I think either EV will evolve really fast to meet the goal, or politics will change (via bribing or politicians getting voted out) to make it not happen. It is never good to have laws that people hate and lose money on, and eventually either the law matches the human nature or technology will catch up to the law.
There is also no law saying that you cannot tow a diesel generator around in cold climate, or home owners cannot buy industrial vehicles and use it for commutes.
In the grand scheme of things, gasoline cars are not horses and will not completely replace horses because some people live where only horses could reach. Towns changed and people moved, some places become more populated and less populated to match cars and trains and we build roads and bridges.
I think EV in the long run may change the places people live and work, if electricity and battery are cheaper than gasoline and combustion engine. I don't know for sure but it happened with gasoline vehicles changing which town is popular and which town is not.
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This. You would be crazy to not have a backup plan and go all in with only EV in a household. You buy home owner insurance and health insurance you will use it less often than your backup ICE car when your EV is not going to work that day.
Most people who complains that EV won't work assume that you ONLY have an EV, but the reality is most people will have a gas vehicle or the ability to RENT one as needed, or just fly if they need to. You can't plan everything with just one vehicle and assume it will be the best. If you want a jack of all trade you will get a master of none, just like people buying a pickup to tow a boat they never really use, and say EV cannot do that and it is not a good car.
They have bigger limitations than anyone who loves them dare care to admit to.
Seriously… In the early times of combustion engines they had far bigger limitations as well. No question about that. Lack of gas gas stations and the other necessary infrastructure. …. Poor heat management.. A lot less range per tank due to inefficiency, a lot less reliability etc etc.
Heat and cold management systems proving in the EVs will mitigate that to a good degree going forward
We are not there now. And that is ok because that’s how things happen in the world.
It does not mean that EVs don’t work currently…
They most certainly do.
And for certain people’s usage they can work very well.
Y p w imagine if you and me being in the early 1930s and having someone from the future from the 1960s telling us about a supersonic jet airplane flying at Mach 3 and flying at 100,000 feet…. When you and I look around at the time we’re in those early 1930s with propeller airplanes… We would look at that person like they had 3 heads on their shoulders.
It’s still very, very early in this EV circumstance.
Seriously… In the early times of combustion engines they had far bigger limitations as well. No question about that. Lack of gas gas stations and the other necessary infrastructure. …. Poor heat management.. A lot less range per tank due to inefficiency, a lot less reliability etc etc.
Heat and cold management systems proving in the EVs will mitigate that to a good degree going forward
We are not there now. And that is ok because that’s how things happen in the world.
It does not mean that EVs don’t work currently…
They most certainly do.
And for certain people’s usage they can work very well.
Y p w imagine if you and me being in the early 1930s and having someone from the future from the 1960s telling us about a supersonic jet airplane flying at Mach 3 and flying at 100,000 feet…. When you and I look around at the time we’re in those early 1930s with propeller airplanes… We would look at that person like they had 3 heads on their shoulders.
It’s still very, very early in this EV circumstance.
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They still have bigger limitations than you or other care to admit to. You are not getting around that.
Just like cars from the 1920s, 1930s and into the 1940s... Had bigger limitations than what came after them even by the 50s and 60s.
That does not mean that EVs don’t currently work.. They certainly do. Especially in certain people’s usage patterns. Even in harsh conditions they work… No doubt.
There are just limitations to them that are there.
Changes in heat / cold management, battery chemistry, additional infrastructure additions will make the EVs better as time passes.
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Detached non heated garage, but it does offer a bit of buffer from temperature. It’s been staying 10-15 degrees warmer than outside temp during current weather.
It’s just by default in my house because my job has me gone 2-3 days at a time with about 12 hours between that where I’m home. For safety reasons we need two cars. I’d do it with an EV, but my wife specifically picked out that car and her short tripping is the perfect fit. I just like cars so it’s more about the variety of experience more than it is about having an EV and an ICE car. I could do it with either.
I live in a very rural area north of Raleigh (NC capital) and not only do we have very weak cellular signal, we have frequent power outages (summer or winter). I’m certain that there are plenty of areas similar to mine. EVs can work inner city for now. These remote areas have years to go before there is dependable infrastructure to support home vehicle charging. Most folks out here can’t afford a home generator.
Its just the opposite. Most EV buyers want to believe the best about their purchase regardless of its flaws and issues, because if they don't, it illustrates they made a mistake.
They will call their EV's great regardless.
Everybody is talking about the cold weather failures of EV's, but I hate to even think about owning one when a hurricane comes in and blown down power lines cause electrical outages for two or more weeks. Hurricane Rita left us without power for 17 days. Ike was 15 days. If that happens, EV owners ain't moving...
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