Okay - getting back the videos at the beginning of this thread, when a Tesla is plugged into a Tesla charging station in very cold weather and the owner complains that the car is not charging, is it likely that the battery is preconditioning and the weak link in the chain sitting in the driver's seat simply doesn't realize this?
I found this interesting, regarding the cold...........
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It's got to be. I've watched testing of this from Out of Spec reviews that did this on a Model 3. He left it parked in a parking at sub zero temperatures and I think it took almost a half hour to start accepting charge. Might have been more than that. They tested multiple cars and the Nissan Leaf charged right away. That car doesn't have temperature controlled battery management though which is why their batteries don't last long. I'll see if I can find the video about it and post it. I thought it was interesting.
Pretty much the same in the GT.
If we had a long snowy hill to compare head to head, I'd happily take that bet. My GT is more surefooted than my Acura RDX was on the same tires, and the RDX had a better AWD system than any scooby dreamed of except for the STi, with which it's comparable. CC2's have similar traction to many dedicated snows in empirical tests regarding nm of force/traction.
For sure. I just know that my GT handles my driveway better than anything else I've taken up it, including the RDX, and SH-AWD in the new RDX's is better than anything Subaru has. 100% L/R torque vectoring, 0-70% rear split. It's insanely good. You have to step up to some of the expensive German stuff to get similar or better.
"I" and "me".... I am sure what you state is true, for you. The vast majority of motorists will however take long trips in their vehicles. Its hardly "stupid" to take range into account. Even if you never plan on taking a long trip, you might need to do so unexpectedly. No need to be grumpy about it though. If EV's suit you, I am happy for you.
I'm saying you're looking at it wrong. I'm not telling you to get an EV, but if you had an EV the way you're thinking about it now would be completely different.
I am not telling anyone to get anything. I believe the individual consumer benefits from the widest range of choices available, and that is possibly under threat. What I don't want is choices taken away. Driving experience and potential difficulties aside, the EV's are not enviro friendly regardless how hard that narrative is pushed.
That is exactly how I feel about it.
I can’t even start with this. The only “narrative” here is the one the news used to get you scared into thinking that’s true or that EVs will be your only option in a few years. They are a small part of the market. Sit down and let us that actually want them have fun with them. All this effort to convince EV owners that they are so bad falls on deaf ears because they already live with them daily. The rest of it from non EV owners comes from fear of something you’ll likely never deal with. It’s just wasted energy.
Copy and paste that from a Facebook story there guy?
I'm with you most of the way.
The environmental aspect (the part I care least about personally) doesn't seem cut and dried at all with the EV worse up front but having a definite break even and besting ICE at some point with miles to get there varying by model and power source.
I believe the real benefit is lower center of gravity and better weight distribution vs IC cars.
Not enough exclamation marks this time. A little more excitement and I might have been convinced to go light my car on fire and tell the internet that Elon's golf cart tried to kill me in my sleep.
Well, there are various entities (US states and foreign nations) that have stated ICE will no longer be allowed for sale past a certain date, which does, in fact, make EV the only option in a few years.
Sweden, in particular, has banned (yes, banned, law was passed) ICE vehicles from its capital, Stockholm, as of 2025, so, I believe them when they say that there will be no more ICE for sale in Sweden after a certain date. Volvo has committed to making only electric cars by 2030.
California has said that they will require all electric by 2035. That means that for those 40 million folks EV will be their only option.
When people say they are going to do something, it’s best to believe them.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/12/...ytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
https://www.media.volvocars.com/us/...77409/volvo-cars-to-be-fully-electric-by-2030
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/news/california-moves-accelerate-100-new-zero-emission-vehicle-sales-2035
Being an EV tyro, I'm not familiar with the term 'preconditioning the battery'. Is that something like EV 'foreplay'?
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