I don't want a new car!
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Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
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A few will try and brow beat you into buying what they have in stock. I flat out tell them that their job is to satisfy the customer, and refusing to special order a vehicle counts as NOT performing that part of their job.
The last time I bought a new vehicle was in 2003...my wife's MPV...we still have it and it's doing well...I take pretty good care of our vehicles, but the only reason we bought new then was because my brother worked for Ford and he got me an employee certificate so it was a steal...sadly, that will probably be our last new vehicle...
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A few will try and brow beat you into buying what they have in stock. I flat out tell them that their job is to satisfy the customer, and refusing to special order a vehicle counts as NOT performing that part of their job.
The last time I bought a new vehicle was in 2003...my wife's MPV...we still have it and it's doing well...I take pretty good care of our vehicles, but the only reason we bought new then was because my brother worked for Ford and he got me an employee certificate so it was a steal...sadly, that will probably be our last new vehicle...
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
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A few will try and brow beat you into buying what they have in stock. I flat out tell them that their job is to satisfy the customer, and refusing to special order a vehicle counts as NOT performing that part of their job.
Interesting, as I frequently choose special order for my new car purchases and have NEVER had a stealership that would not readily oblige me with deposit in hand. I don't buy things I don't like, period.
I don't think I would be surprised by them trying to sell stocked vehicles, just tell them you won't pay for the gunk you don't want. If they are busy they may not want your business, but the Sales Manager has always been my go to guy and it has worked for me since my first new car purchase in 1970.
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A few will try and brow beat you into buying what they have in stock. I flat out tell them that their job is to satisfy the customer, and refusing to special order a vehicle counts as NOT performing that part of their job.
Interesting, as I frequently choose special order for my new car purchases and have NEVER had a stealership that would not readily oblige me with deposit in hand. I don't buy things I don't like, period.
I don't think I would be surprised by them trying to sell stocked vehicles, just tell them you won't pay for the gunk you don't want. If they are busy they may not want your business, but the Sales Manager has always been my go to guy and it has worked for me since my first new car purchase in 1970.
Originally Posted By: otis24
I don't want a new car!
Okay!
I just bought a used 2003 Civic for $8000 and 30,000 miles. However per usual I worry about how much abuse the car saw with its previous owner. Perhaps it would have been worthwhile to spend 12-13,000 and get a brand-new Nissan or Ford sedan? I pay a little extra for piece-of-mind and the latest styles.
I don't want a new car!
Okay!
I just bought a used 2003 Civic for $8000 and 30,000 miles. However per usual I worry about how much abuse the car saw with its previous owner. Perhaps it would have been worthwhile to spend 12-13,000 and get a brand-new Nissan or Ford sedan? I pay a little extra for piece-of-mind and the latest styles.
Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
"I will probably keep it till it blows up. It would be nice to think I could get another 40k-50k miles out of it." This train of thought is consistent with 'cars as an appliance' consideration. Marketing is a powerful effective tool, that billions of $$ are generated from.
I spent $31,000 on gasoline this past decade. It makes the cost of dumping the old car for a new (or used) car seem less painful. Especially if the old car starts hitting me with $2000 repair bills or $1200 timing belt replacements.
"I will probably keep it till it blows up. It would be nice to think I could get another 40k-50k miles out of it." This train of thought is consistent with 'cars as an appliance' consideration. Marketing is a powerful effective tool, that billions of $$ are generated from.
I spent $31,000 on gasoline this past decade. It makes the cost of dumping the old car for a new (or used) car seem less painful. Especially if the old car starts hitting me with $2000 repair bills or $1200 timing belt replacements.
Originally Posted By: lovcom
Newer cars are perceived as more difficult to work on only by those that have not kept up, and would rather bad mouth technology then to learn about it. I see this type of thing alot with software developers in their 50's in many places that I consult.
You make a good point but..... I already work 5 days a week. Am I expected to work Saturdays & Sundays too, just to learn the new tech? (Most companies will say "yes" but I like to use weekends for family time, while the kids are still kids, not teens that no longer want to talk to dad.)
And yes electronics do tend to fail. The Nav screens are basically just laptop motherboards attached to LCDs, and laptops (or desktops) are not known for their longevity. In fact they are often intended to be thrown-away after 5 years & replaced with the latest unit with latest Windows or OS X upgrade. The computer industry doesn't build for longterm stamina.
PLUS: What happens to my radio or AC control if the computer or LCD fails? And even if it doesn't fail, software ages rapidly. I recently sat in a 2005 Lexus and the interface felt extremely clunky (no touch interface & a colorless map) (nonintuitive AC controls). I was wishing it just had simple buttons like my insight.
Newer cars are perceived as more difficult to work on only by those that have not kept up, and would rather bad mouth technology then to learn about it. I see this type of thing alot with software developers in their 50's in many places that I consult.
You make a good point but..... I already work 5 days a week. Am I expected to work Saturdays & Sundays too, just to learn the new tech? (Most companies will say "yes" but I like to use weekends for family time, while the kids are still kids, not teens that no longer want to talk to dad.)
And yes electronics do tend to fail. The Nav screens are basically just laptop motherboards attached to LCDs, and laptops (or desktops) are not known for their longevity. In fact they are often intended to be thrown-away after 5 years & replaced with the latest unit with latest Windows or OS X upgrade. The computer industry doesn't build for longterm stamina.
PLUS: What happens to my radio or AC control if the computer or LCD fails? And even if it doesn't fail, software ages rapidly. I recently sat in a 2005 Lexus and the interface felt extremely clunky (no touch interface & a colorless map) (nonintuitive AC controls). I was wishing it just had simple buttons like my insight.
I do just fine between my '88 Caddy and '63 Chrysler. The caddy has lots of power extras and most still work, while the Chrysler has none except power steering. Repairs on both are simple, operation is reliable, rides are good, and heat is warm.
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Here's one: just TRY finding a 2500 or 3500 series pickup that isn't a totally-stripped fleet truck OR a loaded $60,000+ "cowboy Cadillac"! There is NOTHING in the middle on the lots!
Heck, try finding a 2WD pickup on a lot in New England!
Very true. If you ask for basic options they look at you like you are from another planet. "How could you NOT want the bluetooth/satellite/rocket-launcher infotainment system??" If that "cowboy Cadillac" is a diesel, its easily a $70,000+ pickup truck. That's crossing into Mercedes-Benz SUV territory. I had to laugh when I heard a local radio commercial: "Buy an F250 or F350 Super Duty and get a $1000 off a snowplow". Yeah okay, I pay 70 grand for a truck and I get $1000 off a plow, what a deal. Maybe I'll get $500 off a transmission replacement after beating on the brand new 70 grand truck all winter.
I don't agree with the "people only want lots of gadgets that is why the factory sells them" idea. Sure, some people want those options, but I know A LOT of people who don't, and when they go to the dealer, all they find is the high optioned ones.
My dad is fairly tall, and the only Grand Cherokee he could fit into without touching the ceiling was one without a sunroof. The sunroof equipped models have a lower ceiling and less headroom. His only requirements when purchasing a 2013 Grand Cherokee was the Hemi 5.7L for trailer towing, and no sunroof. A few dealers did searches within our area, and only 3 vehicles with that combo came up within 800 miles.
Here's one: just TRY finding a 2500 or 3500 series pickup that isn't a totally-stripped fleet truck OR a loaded $60,000+ "cowboy Cadillac"! There is NOTHING in the middle on the lots!
Heck, try finding a 2WD pickup on a lot in New England!
Very true. If you ask for basic options they look at you like you are from another planet. "How could you NOT want the bluetooth/satellite/rocket-launcher infotainment system??" If that "cowboy Cadillac" is a diesel, its easily a $70,000+ pickup truck. That's crossing into Mercedes-Benz SUV territory. I had to laugh when I heard a local radio commercial: "Buy an F250 or F350 Super Duty and get a $1000 off a snowplow". Yeah okay, I pay 70 grand for a truck and I get $1000 off a plow, what a deal. Maybe I'll get $500 off a transmission replacement after beating on the brand new 70 grand truck all winter.
I don't agree with the "people only want lots of gadgets that is why the factory sells them" idea. Sure, some people want those options, but I know A LOT of people who don't, and when they go to the dealer, all they find is the high optioned ones.
My dad is fairly tall, and the only Grand Cherokee he could fit into without touching the ceiling was one without a sunroof. The sunroof equipped models have a lower ceiling and less headroom. His only requirements when purchasing a 2013 Grand Cherokee was the Hemi 5.7L for trailer towing, and no sunroof. A few dealers did searches within our area, and only 3 vehicles with that combo came up within 800 miles.
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
The look on the faces of those folks at the dealerships is priceless when you tell them goodbye and keep walking out the door.
It is only matched by the look on their faces when you tell them you are NOT one of the 'usual' masses who would only buy a car loaded 'to the gills' with every useless/complicated/weighty bell and whistle available.
The look on the faces of those folks at the dealerships is priceless when you tell them goodbye and keep walking out the door.
It is only matched by the look on their faces when you tell them you are NOT one of the 'usual' masses who would only buy a car loaded 'to the gills' with every useless/complicated/weighty bell and whistle available.
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
The look on the faces of those folks at the dealerships is priceless when you tell them goodbye and keep walking out the door.
It is only matched by the look on their faces when you tell them you are NOT one of the 'usual' masses who would only buy a car loaded 'to the gills' with every useless/complicated/weighty bell and whistle available.
right to the point lol
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
The look on the faces of those folks at the dealerships is priceless when you tell them goodbye and keep walking out the door.
It is only matched by the look on their faces when you tell them you are NOT one of the 'usual' masses who would only buy a car loaded 'to the gills' with every useless/complicated/weighty bell and whistle available.
right to the point lol
Originally Posted By: blackman777
You make a good point but..... I already work 5 days a week. Am I expected to work Saturdays & Sundays too, just to learn the new tech? (Most companies will say "yes" but I like to use weekends for family time, while the kids are still kids, not teens that no longer want to talk to dad.)
And yes electronics do tend to fail. The Nav screens are basically just laptop motherboards attached to LCDs, and laptops (or desktops) are not known for their longevity. In fact they are often intended to be thrown-away after 5 years & replaced with the latest unit with latest Windows or OS X upgrade. The computer industry doesn't build for longterm stamina.
PLUS: What happens to my radio or AC control if the computer or LCD fails? And even if it doesn't fail, software ages rapidly. I recently sat in a 2005 Lexus and the interface felt extremely clunky (no touch interface & a colorless map) (nonintuitive AC controls). I was wishing it just had simple buttons like my insight.
Yes, you are expected to keep up with your job. You can do that AND spend tons of quality time with your family. Keeping up means you love your family and want to insure your future earnings and marketability.
As to laptops, except for the keyboards, and crashed harddrives, all other components of laptops very often last forever. The only laptops I've seen dead are not because of the electronics....nearly always because of a crashed harddrive, or worn keyboard.
You make a good point but..... I already work 5 days a week. Am I expected to work Saturdays & Sundays too, just to learn the new tech? (Most companies will say "yes" but I like to use weekends for family time, while the kids are still kids, not teens that no longer want to talk to dad.)
And yes electronics do tend to fail. The Nav screens are basically just laptop motherboards attached to LCDs, and laptops (or desktops) are not known for their longevity. In fact they are often intended to be thrown-away after 5 years & replaced with the latest unit with latest Windows or OS X upgrade. The computer industry doesn't build for longterm stamina.
PLUS: What happens to my radio or AC control if the computer or LCD fails? And even if it doesn't fail, software ages rapidly. I recently sat in a 2005 Lexus and the interface felt extremely clunky (no touch interface & a colorless map) (nonintuitive AC controls). I was wishing it just had simple buttons like my insight.
Yes, you are expected to keep up with your job. You can do that AND spend tons of quality time with your family. Keeping up means you love your family and want to insure your future earnings and marketability.
As to laptops, except for the keyboards, and crashed harddrives, all other components of laptops very often last forever. The only laptops I've seen dead are not because of the electronics....nearly always because of a crashed harddrive, or worn keyboard.
Originally Posted By: lovcom
Originally Posted By: blackman777
You make a good point but..... I already work 5 days a week. Am I expected to work Saturdays & Sundays too, just to learn the new tech? (Most companies will say "yes" but I like to use weekends for family time.....)
Yes, you are expected to keep up with your job. You can do that AND spend tons of quality time with your family. Keeping up means you love your family and want to insure your future earnings and marketability.
So "yes" you expect me and other engineers/techs to work Saturdays/Sundays too. So typical of today's corporate mindset (where they treat workers as slaves to the company 6 days a week). Pretty soon you're 70 years old and you've not really lived life, because you were working 90% of the time.
Originally Posted By: blackman777
You make a good point but..... I already work 5 days a week. Am I expected to work Saturdays & Sundays too, just to learn the new tech? (Most companies will say "yes" but I like to use weekends for family time.....)
Yes, you are expected to keep up with your job. You can do that AND spend tons of quality time with your family. Keeping up means you love your family and want to insure your future earnings and marketability.
So "yes" you expect me and other engineers/techs to work Saturdays/Sundays too. So typical of today's corporate mindset (where they treat workers as slaves to the company 6 days a week). Pretty soon you're 70 years old and you've not really lived life, because you were working 90% of the time.
Originally Posted By: MetalSlug
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
It is only matched by the look on their faces when you tell them you are NOT one of the 'usual' masses who would only buy a car loaded 'to the gills' with every useless/complicated/weighty bell and whistle available.
right to the point lol
Ditto. I like a few luxuries like power locks or power windows, but don't see the point of installing Nav units and other gizmos that will be obsoleted very quickly. My current "nav unit" is my cellphone which gets updated every 2-3 years. That's not possible with a car's hardwired LCD which starts looking dated in a short time period.
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
It is only matched by the look on their faces when you tell them you are NOT one of the 'usual' masses who would only buy a car loaded 'to the gills' with every useless/complicated/weighty bell and whistle available.
right to the point lol
Ditto. I like a few luxuries like power locks or power windows, but don't see the point of installing Nav units and other gizmos that will be obsoleted very quickly. My current "nav unit" is my cellphone which gets updated every 2-3 years. That's not possible with a car's hardwired LCD which starts looking dated in a short time period.
Originally Posted By: lovcom
As to laptops, except for the keyboards, and crashed harddrives, all other components of laptops very often last forever. The only laptops I've seen dead are not because of the electronics....nearly always because of a crashed harddrive, or worn keyboard.
These do not have to last very long nowadays since the manufacturers' KNOW that most yupster American consumers will instinctively/reflexively buy the latest and greatest MAC daddy laptop for $5000.00+ every 2-3 years anyway, just to "keep up" with; trends, bells and whistles, power, and "not being caught DEAD seen with last year's model" fear/STATUS (just like most do with leased cars, and smart phones).
As to laptops, except for the keyboards, and crashed harddrives, all other components of laptops very often last forever. The only laptops I've seen dead are not because of the electronics....nearly always because of a crashed harddrive, or worn keyboard.
These do not have to last very long nowadays since the manufacturers' KNOW that most yupster American consumers will instinctively/reflexively buy the latest and greatest MAC daddy laptop for $5000.00+ every 2-3 years anyway, just to "keep up" with; trends, bells and whistles, power, and "not being caught DEAD seen with last year's model" fear/STATUS (just like most do with leased cars, and smart phones).
Five days a week sounds to me like we lack ambition here. That may be enough for many, but in my life the work HAD to come first.
I am not content to just motor along, where I come from you work all you can to get what your family needs. You plan time off and take vacations because you worked the extra time to make more dough.
Maybe 5 days is enough, but it doesn't sound like the go-getter mindset. I worked for others for a LONG time and the only way I came out on top was to out work the next guy...
I am not content to just motor along, where I come from you work all you can to get what your family needs. You plan time off and take vacations because you worked the extra time to make more dough.
Maybe 5 days is enough, but it doesn't sound like the go-getter mindset. I worked for others for a LONG time and the only way I came out on top was to out work the next guy...
There's plenty of money in the world, but the amount of time is fixed (about 80 years). No sense wasting it in the office, else I might as well move from sunny California to chilly Maine (since I never get to enjoy the outdoors).
Work is way overrated.
I'll take my cheap cars and apt over someone driving a new BMW, owing $400k+ on a mortgage and working 60+ hours a week. That's not living.
I'll take my cheap cars and apt over someone driving a new BMW, owing $400k+ on a mortgage and working 60+ hours a week. That's not living.
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Work is way overrated.
I'll take my cheap cars and apt over someone driving a new BMW, owing $400k+ on a mortgage and working 60+ hours a week. That's not living.
Wow, I think what you said is TOTALLY LOST on 98% of Mericans today.
They are programmed to put in outrageous hours because we are supposed to compete with China and other slave wage countries.
One thing that REALLY peeves me today is that many folks want to put in tons of hours, even though if they worked efficiently, methodically, and diligently, they would accomplish 50 hours of work in 40. Most people seem to want to screw around to increase hours...I certainly do NOT and I resent it when others make it that way. Not all of us need or want OT.
Indeed...my favorite phrase is....
"I work to live. I DON'T live to work."
Work is way overrated.
I'll take my cheap cars and apt over someone driving a new BMW, owing $400k+ on a mortgage and working 60+ hours a week. That's not living.
Wow, I think what you said is TOTALLY LOST on 98% of Mericans today.
They are programmed to put in outrageous hours because we are supposed to compete with China and other slave wage countries.
One thing that REALLY peeves me today is that many folks want to put in tons of hours, even though if they worked efficiently, methodically, and diligently, they would accomplish 50 hours of work in 40. Most people seem to want to screw around to increase hours...I certainly do NOT and I resent it when others make it that way. Not all of us need or want OT.
Indeed...my favorite phrase is....
"I work to live. I DON'T live to work."
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Work is way overrated.
I'll take my cheap cars and apt over someone driving a new BMW, owing $400k+ on a mortgage and working 60+ hours a week. That's not living.
You got that right...I plan on retiring as soon as I am eligible...I want to enjoy what time I have left on this planet...I don't want to work until I drop dead...that happened to my Dad...
Work is way overrated.
I'll take my cheap cars and apt over someone driving a new BMW, owing $400k+ on a mortgage and working 60+ hours a week. That's not living.
You got that right...I plan on retiring as soon as I am eligible...I want to enjoy what time I have left on this planet...I don't want to work until I drop dead...that happened to my Dad...
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