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I am going to use Auto-Rx on my 1999 Lexus RX300.
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I don't have a dog in this latest oil additive fray but, this just plain [censored]. The noob starts a new thread showing pics and documentation and is excited about trying arx.
And guess who shows up to rip him a new one. c3po, you are just trying way too hard. Your obvious bias and agenda taint every one of your posts about arx. For pete sake, can you give it a rest just once.
Everyone gets it by now, you're skeptical. But, you've registered that already here again. So, now that you've put in your obligatory arx detective work here, let it go. The horse is dead.
Let the OP post his pics and documentation, and everyone can decide for themselves. The one I'm most interested in is the oil fill hole and the oil filters would be nice. As said previously, I wouldn't worry about the varnish on the dipstick, no biggie.
OK, I'm done with my rant, and I rarely post anything on this board.
Disclaimer: I've never used arx, and only MMO on an older vehicle but not recently.
And guess who shows up to rip him a new one. c3po, you are just trying way too hard. Your obvious bias and agenda taint every one of your posts about arx. For pete sake, can you give it a rest just once.
Everyone gets it by now, you're skeptical. But, you've registered that already here again. So, now that you've put in your obligatory arx detective work here, let it go. The horse is dead.
Let the OP post his pics and documentation, and everyone can decide for themselves. The one I'm most interested in is the oil fill hole and the oil filters would be nice. As said previously, I wouldn't worry about the varnish on the dipstick, no biggie.
OK, I'm done with my rant, and I rarely post anything on this board.
Disclaimer: I've never used arx, and only MMO on an older vehicle but not recently.
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Do you see commies under the bed as well?
No. I think he sees MMO bottles lined up in tight formation waving a flag
singing The Star Spangled Banner.
Do you see commies under the bed as well?
No. I think he sees MMO bottles lined up in tight formation waving a flag
Man do I agree with your post sayjac! This guy does show up whenever anybody says anything positive about Auto-RX or says that they are going to test Auto-RX. And he is claiming that the guy is actually somebody else with a new poster name!
I am like you. I would like to see some actual photographic evidence indicating that Auto-RX either works or not. I have a stake in this. I still own two bottles of Auto-rX.
I am like you. I would like to see some actual photographic evidence indicating that Auto-RX either works or not. I have a stake in this. I still own two bottles of Auto-rX.
OK. Rex 3 printing for instance added a single dose of 3 gallons of RX costing US$28,800 to their 6/colour Komori press and ran it for 300 hours. The facilities Manager Tommy Davis estimates it saved them US$57,600 in costs and there are plenty more like this. In tough times companies don't spend $28,800 for nothing. I'm sure the named gentlemen is contactable for anybody interested.
Hey demarpaint, if I misspel wordds does that make mee an emposter to?
I do. Guess I'm outed then?
Originally Posted By: af0h
Hey demarpaint, if I misspel wordds does that make mee an emposter to?
Why ask mee?
Hey demarpaint, if I misspel wordds does that make mee an emposter to?
Why ask mee?
Just to assume somebody is someone else in disguise because of how they misspell words is pretty weak. A lot of people misspell certain words the same way. For example a lot of people misspell 'their' as 'thier.' Or they will put 'there' instead of 'their.'
Assuming that there was in fact at least one paid promoter of Auto-RX I think the Auto-RX people would be crazy to try more games. If it came out they would really be in trouble here. Some people might be willing to excuse one lie but not continued lying.
This is actually serious business here. There are many thousands of people who go to this website and perhaps thousands of those people were Auto-RX users. Auto-RX may have lost thousands of customers because of this recent stuff.
Now I do not know for a fact that the people at Auto-RX have done anything wrong at all. We have one person here (maybe more) saying that they received free bottles of Auto-RX and they were asked to promote the product. Do I know for a fact that this happened? No I do not.
But if at all possible I would like to see actual photographic evidence that some product I am interested in either works or does not work. Now if we find out the photographic evidence has been faked that product is no longer of any interest to me. So they better not lie to me.
I realize that people are not going to be pulling engines apart before and after testing. But I would like to see some evidence that a product works.
Hey, if before an oil change I notice that the oil is pretty dark and then I put X Brand engine flush in, run the engine for 20 minutes, and I notice the oil is much darker still-is that not evidence of some degree that the product worked? If sludge is cleaned off of the dipstick is that evidence? If I can see into some parts of the engine and the parts look cleaner is that evidence? If after the oil change the engine seems to run better is that evidence?
Assuming that there was in fact at least one paid promoter of Auto-RX I think the Auto-RX people would be crazy to try more games. If it came out they would really be in trouble here. Some people might be willing to excuse one lie but not continued lying.
This is actually serious business here. There are many thousands of people who go to this website and perhaps thousands of those people were Auto-RX users. Auto-RX may have lost thousands of customers because of this recent stuff.
Now I do not know for a fact that the people at Auto-RX have done anything wrong at all. We have one person here (maybe more) saying that they received free bottles of Auto-RX and they were asked to promote the product. Do I know for a fact that this happened? No I do not.
But if at all possible I would like to see actual photographic evidence that some product I am interested in either works or does not work. Now if we find out the photographic evidence has been faked that product is no longer of any interest to me. So they better not lie to me.
I realize that people are not going to be pulling engines apart before and after testing. But I would like to see some evidence that a product works.
Hey, if before an oil change I notice that the oil is pretty dark and then I put X Brand engine flush in, run the engine for 20 minutes, and I notice the oil is much darker still-is that not evidence of some degree that the product worked? If sludge is cleaned off of the dipstick is that evidence? If I can see into some parts of the engine and the parts look cleaner is that evidence? If after the oil change the engine seems to run better is that evidence?
If there is someone qualified in the Jacksonville, Florida area wants to pull the valve cover off, we can take some pictures. We could do before and after. Like I said, I am not a mechanic. The only way I thought we could tell is by looking at the dipstick. It has a lot of varnish on it and it sits right in the middle of the action. It just seemed logical to me that it might be a good guage on how well the product works. On a side note, I did not receive any bottles for free and I do not know Mr. Miller at all. Here is a copy of my purchase:
Auto-Rx, 12-28-2009 CustomerID:
Billing Address:
Stephen xxxxx
xxxx xxxx xxxx
Fleming Island, FL 32003
Subtotal:
Shipping: 0.00
Tax: 3.05
Total: 46.59
Auto-Rx, 12-28-2009 CustomerID:
Billing Address:
Stephen xxxxx
xxxx xxxx xxxx
Fleming Island, FL 32003
Subtotal:
Shipping: 0.00
Tax: 3.05
Total: 46.59
Originally Posted By: scottone928
If there is someone qualified in the Jacksonville, Florida area wants to pull the valve cover off, we can take some pictures. We could do before and after. Like I said, I am not a mechanic. The only way I thought we could tell is by looking at the dipstick. It has a lot of varnish on it and it sits right in the middle of the action. It just seemed logical to me that it might be a good guage on how well the product works. On a side note, I did not receive any bottles for free and I do not know Mr. Miller at all. Here is a copy of my purchase:
Auto-Rx, 12-28-2009 CustomerID:
Billing Address:
Stephen xxxxx
xxxx xxxx xxxx
Fleming Island, FL 32003
Subtotal:
Shipping: 0.00
Tax: 3.05
Total: 46.59
Good Luck with your Clean and Rinse Phase, it seems you are legit, I was skeptical for many reasons and if you have any questions about arx then you may want to PM Gary Allan.
If there is someone qualified in the Jacksonville, Florida area wants to pull the valve cover off, we can take some pictures. We could do before and after. Like I said, I am not a mechanic. The only way I thought we could tell is by looking at the dipstick. It has a lot of varnish on it and it sits right in the middle of the action. It just seemed logical to me that it might be a good guage on how well the product works. On a side note, I did not receive any bottles for free and I do not know Mr. Miller at all. Here is a copy of my purchase:
Auto-Rx, 12-28-2009 CustomerID:
Billing Address:
Stephen xxxxx
xxxx xxxx xxxx
Fleming Island, FL 32003
Subtotal:
Shipping: 0.00
Tax: 3.05
Total: 46.59
Good Luck with your Clean and Rinse Phase, it seems you are legit, I was skeptical for many reasons and if you have any questions about arx then you may want to PM Gary Allan.
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Just to assume somebody is someone else in disguise because of how they misspell words is pretty weak. A lot of people misspell certain words the same way. For example a lot of people misspell 'their' as 'thier.' Or they will put 'there' instead of 'their.'
Assuming that there was in fact at least one paid promoter of Auto-RX I think the Auto-RX people would be crazy to try more games. If it came out they would really be in trouble here. Some people might be willing to excuse one lie but not continued lying.
I was not the person who said anything about a person misspelling words. I don't understand why people are calling me out on it?
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Assuming that there was in fact at least one paid promoter of Auto-RX I think the Auto-RX people would be crazy to try more games. If it came out they would really be in trouble here. Some people might be willing to excuse one lie but not continued lying.
Good point! I think the poster is on the up and up, and never said otherwise. But some people don't know when to stop with the lies and trying to defend themselves. Maybe that caught c3po's eye. Honestly I could care less.
Originally Posted By: Mystic
I realize that people are not going to be pulling engines apart before and after testing. But I would like to see some evidence that a product works.
Hey, if before an oil change I notice that the oil is pretty dark and then I put X Brand engine flush in, run the engine for 20 minutes, and I notice the oil is much darker still-is that not evidence of some degree that the product worked? If sludge is cleaned off of the dipstick is that evidence? If I can see into some parts of the engine and the parts look cleaner is that evidence? If after the oil change the engine seems to run better is that evidence.
This is the beauty of the oil additive business at its best. Very hard to prove anything, and then if you do the critics are quick to counter attack. Case in point. A person used product X to clean their engine and under the VC there is still varnish, and sludge. When it is reported on the board we hear splash fed areas are hard to clean, and he should run a compression test before use of product X and then after use to be sure. Otherwise his postings are considered by some a waste, and should not be believed. For the average person running a compression test is next to impossible, and expensive to have done. I have a compression tester. Guess what, I don't want to run a compression test on my Aerostar, what a PITA that job is.
Now product Y is used, the valve train is visibly cleaner. One could say the product worked. The Anti's would say what about compression? A clean valve train means nothing. If you don't believe me go through old posts.
If I'm using a cleaning product I want to see visible results, not go through a major ordeal tearing down an engine to check. The valve train is the logical spot, and IMO is if you can see cleaning there, it is clean down below as well.
If when I was a kid my mother asked me to wash my hands and face, then checked. She didn't look at the car she looked at my hands and face.
Now I didn't mention product names, you can plug any products designed for cleaning for product x&y in the above example, and use the same argument. JMO
Another thing that comes up a lot is, Butt Dino comments. Most people who are car buffs know how their cars run, and when something is wrong they can tell just by the feel of the car. I know I do, and I'm willing to bet a lot of other members do as well. So when I do something to one of my fleet I can usually detect a difference. Certain perfect running cars it is hard to tell a difference, but when you have a clunker with high miles improvements are very easy to spot. JMO
Mystic I hope you don't mind me quoting you, your replies are valid, and made a good base for me to use for my post here.
Just to assume somebody is someone else in disguise because of how they misspell words is pretty weak. A lot of people misspell certain words the same way. For example a lot of people misspell 'their' as 'thier.' Or they will put 'there' instead of 'their.'
Assuming that there was in fact at least one paid promoter of Auto-RX I think the Auto-RX people would be crazy to try more games. If it came out they would really be in trouble here. Some people might be willing to excuse one lie but not continued lying.
I was not the person who said anything about a person misspelling words. I don't understand why people are calling me out on it?
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Assuming that there was in fact at least one paid promoter of Auto-RX I think the Auto-RX people would be crazy to try more games. If it came out they would really be in trouble here. Some people might be willing to excuse one lie but not continued lying.
Good point! I think the poster is on the up and up, and never said otherwise. But some people don't know when to stop with the lies and trying to defend themselves. Maybe that caught c3po's eye. Honestly I could care less.
Originally Posted By: Mystic
I realize that people are not going to be pulling engines apart before and after testing. But I would like to see some evidence that a product works.
Hey, if before an oil change I notice that the oil is pretty dark and then I put X Brand engine flush in, run the engine for 20 minutes, and I notice the oil is much darker still-is that not evidence of some degree that the product worked? If sludge is cleaned off of the dipstick is that evidence? If I can see into some parts of the engine and the parts look cleaner is that evidence? If after the oil change the engine seems to run better is that evidence.
This is the beauty of the oil additive business at its best. Very hard to prove anything, and then if you do the critics are quick to counter attack. Case in point. A person used product X to clean their engine and under the VC there is still varnish, and sludge. When it is reported on the board we hear splash fed areas are hard to clean, and he should run a compression test before use of product X and then after use to be sure. Otherwise his postings are considered by some a waste, and should not be believed. For the average person running a compression test is next to impossible, and expensive to have done. I have a compression tester. Guess what, I don't want to run a compression test on my Aerostar, what a PITA that job is.
Now product Y is used, the valve train is visibly cleaner. One could say the product worked. The Anti's would say what about compression? A clean valve train means nothing. If you don't believe me go through old posts.
If I'm using a cleaning product I want to see visible results, not go through a major ordeal tearing down an engine to check. The valve train is the logical spot, and IMO is if you can see cleaning there, it is clean down below as well.
If when I was a kid my mother asked me to wash my hands and face, then checked. She didn't look at the car she looked at my hands and face.
Now I didn't mention product names, you can plug any products designed for cleaning for product x&y in the above example, and use the same argument. JMO
Another thing that comes up a lot is, Butt Dino comments. Most people who are car buffs know how their cars run, and when something is wrong they can tell just by the feel of the car. I know I do, and I'm willing to bet a lot of other members do as well. So when I do something to one of my fleet I can usually detect a difference. Certain perfect running cars it is hard to tell a difference, but when you have a clunker with high miles improvements are very easy to spot. JMO
Mystic I hope you don't mind me quoting you, your replies are valid, and made a good base for me to use for my post here.
I wasn't saying that a clean(er) dipstick wouldn't be an added benefit. Rather, that if the varnish didn't come off the dipstick, it wouldn't indicate, (to me at least) that the arx hadn't done some cleaning of any possible sludge.
Valve covers removed, would be nice, but depending on the model it can be quite a job.
A couple questions. You said you bought the car, because it appeared to have regular dealer maintenance with documentation. Do you still believe that? Based on this list from this NYTimes article , it does appear to be a sludger engine. You said you were aware of this before you purchased the vehicle?
In any case, I wish you success in cleaning the engine.
Valve covers removed, would be nice, but depending on the model it can be quite a job.
A couple questions. You said you bought the car, because it appeared to have regular dealer maintenance with documentation. Do you still believe that? Based on this list from this NYTimes article , it does appear to be a sludger engine. You said you were aware of this before you purchased the vehicle?
In any case, I wish you success in cleaning the engine.
I don't mind you quoting me demarpaint. I am probably posting too much on all of this and getting too wordy but I do have a stake in all of this. I bought several bottles of Auto-RX myself. And actually we all have a stake in all of this if people are going to tell lies in posts or be secret promoters of products, etc.
I agree with you that people make incredible demands for proof that a product worked. Nobody is going to pull an engine apart before and after they test some engine cleaner. If they did that they might as well clean the engine right there-by hand.
Compression tests have gotten to be a lot harder to do on these newer engines with engine compartments so tight a person can hardly get their hand in anywhere. I don't own a decent compression tester anyway.
About the best a person can do is try to see into some areas of the engine if possible. In the case of an engine flush that is supposed to work a good test would be to use fresh clear oil for the flush along with the engine flush. It seems to me the oil should turn dark if the flush actually works in 20 minutes of engine idling.
Products like Auto-RX are slower cleaners but like you I believe I can tell a difference when an engine runs better. Some people attack anybody who says they can feel a difference in how their engine runs. Heck, whenever I change my engine oil the engine feels better. I can FEEL the difference. I guess those who like to attack people can attack me for saying that.
If somebody can pull a valve cover that would be interesting-seeing the before and after photographs.
I agree with you that people make incredible demands for proof that a product worked. Nobody is going to pull an engine apart before and after they test some engine cleaner. If they did that they might as well clean the engine right there-by hand.
Compression tests have gotten to be a lot harder to do on these newer engines with engine compartments so tight a person can hardly get their hand in anywhere. I don't own a decent compression tester anyway.
About the best a person can do is try to see into some areas of the engine if possible. In the case of an engine flush that is supposed to work a good test would be to use fresh clear oil for the flush along with the engine flush. It seems to me the oil should turn dark if the flush actually works in 20 minutes of engine idling.
Products like Auto-RX are slower cleaners but like you I believe I can tell a difference when an engine runs better. Some people attack anybody who says they can feel a difference in how their engine runs. Heck, whenever I change my engine oil the engine feels better. I can FEEL the difference. I guess those who like to attack people can attack me for saying that.
If somebody can pull a valve cover that would be interesting-seeing the before and after photographs.
Here are the pics from my folks 2000 RX300 (151k)- I just took over the maintenance for them. I was disgusted when I opened it up to find this.
Originally Posted By: Mystic
If somebody can pull a valve cover that would be interesting-seeing the before and after photographs.
Hey if someone wants to send me 2 bottle of arx and 2 upper intake manifold gaskets I would do it. I will even supply the oil. I'm sure I still have a decent amount of varnish up there. Also if anyone or any corporation wants to pay me for posting here PM me.
Then I can tell my wife to leave me alone I'm working when she gives dung for being on the internet.
If somebody can pull a valve cover that would be interesting-seeing the before and after photographs.
Hey if someone wants to send me 2 bottle of arx and 2 upper intake manifold gaskets I would do it. I will even supply the oil. I'm sure I still have a decent amount of varnish up there. Also if anyone or any corporation wants to pay me for posting here PM me.
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UPDATE: OIL HAS BEEN CHANGED WITH AUTO-RX. NEW PCV VALVE INSTALLED. MILEAGE:99520.
Let me tell you that the oil filter location is the worst I have ever changed out. The engineer who put it there should be shot! Well it's all been changed out. I will change out the oil filter around 100K. I will post pictures of stuff along the way. Here we go!!
Let me tell you that the oil filter location is the worst I have ever changed out. The engineer who put it there should be shot! Well it's all been changed out. I will change out the oil filter around 100K. I will post pictures of stuff along the way. Here we go!!
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