Yeah I think my words were too strong and the track has since turned a bit more east and possibly a Cat 3 before wind shear kicks it down. Too close to call and it is still to far away to know where it will hit with any certainty, But admittedly I will admit if you live in the Tampa Bay area you should consider keeping a close eye on the news, Really much of it just depends if you’re in a flood zone.
Hurricane Ian aims at Tampa in latest model run
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I was in Virginia Beach, where we were hit by Sandy. Didn’t make the media coverage, even though it was a Hurricane and caused widespread flooding and damage with a heavy storm surge. We had the house sand bagged and avoided any serious damage, even with six feet of water in our street.
Sandy is small potatoes compared with, say, the Galveston Hurricane (not called a super storm, but responsible for 6,000 deaths, over 100 times that of Sandy).
When Andrew hit Florida, it was a cat V, and the winds were far higher than Sandy. The damage more widespread.
There are lots of hurricanes that exceed Sandy’s surge, wind speed, and damage.
Katrina had a higher surge and wind speed, but over a smaller area, for example.
None of them, and there are hundreds more examples, were called “Super Storm” because none of them hit New York. The property damage totals are as much a function of real estate values as they are Hurricane power. The storm surge of Sandy wasn’t particularly high, but it hit an area unprepared.
The irony in this discussion: you complained about media hype, then used the media hype nomenclature for a storm.
I’m not denying the damage that Hurricane Sandy caused, I’m simply saying that the media called it “Super Storm” when other storms were worse. “Super storm” is a prime example of media hype labeling. It was a Hurricane.
The media hype is going to get a lot of people killed. It does every year in tornado alley. Every single tornado that pops off within a county or neighboring county (which is almost every day from March to June), the local news and the sirens go insane. I was visiting my brother in Oklahoma in May a few years ago. I was there 5 days and the tornado sirens went off 7 times. I think I remember only 3 or 4 of those times was there an actual tornado, the others were "storms capable of producing a tornado." The local weatherman was going berserk over every upper level circulation. "This has the potential to be the next May 3rd tornado!!!" and it never even touch down. Everybody ignored him because they've become numb to the hype and false alarms.
Then when a big one does hit, with the hype justified, nobody is paying attention because they've cried wolf so many times. Then a couple dozen people die when the town gets flattened.
On that trip, I remember standing in his backyard and watching a small tornado move across the fields in the distance. I was somewhat freaking out, but my brother was just flipping burgers and paying it no attention. "If we went in the bunker for every siren, we'd permanently move in there."
Then when a big one does hit, with the hype justified, nobody is paying attention because they've cried wolf so many times. Then a couple dozen people die when the town gets flattened.
On that trip, I remember standing in his backyard and watching a small tornado move across the fields in the distance. I was somewhat freaking out, but my brother was just flipping burgers and paying it no attention. "If we went in the bunker for every siren, we'd permanently move in there."
Sandy at around 1000 miles wide, the reason for the "Super Storm" could not be called a Hurricane AFTER it turned subtropical.
The Media did NOT label it Super Storm Sandy, it was the Official NOAA National Weather service that named it and did for the above reason as it was now a subtropical storm =
https://www.weather.gov/phi/sandyreport
Another explanation = Superstorm-Sandy
Sandy was not mid Atlantic Coastal Storm, at least the bulk of it was not anywhere near VIRGINIA ... https://www.researchgate.net/figure...2-Indicated-are-storm-category_fig1_284270013
At any rate it was a once in a lifetime occurrence of the merging of a cold weather and warm weather storm and hence born "Super Storm" it was the merging of the systems that the name was created. Britannia describes at first NHC calling it Cyclone Sandy, Noah site in the link above called it super storm. As far as weather occurrences it was quite a fastening system for those into weather.
"As the cold air mass—whose leading edge contained a small low-pressure centre—approached the hurricane’s warmer counterclockwise wind field on October 29th, winds circulating around the low-pressure centres of the cold air massand of Hurricane Sandy began to mix. This interaction pulled part of the cold air mass to the south of the hurricane and turned the jet steam separating the two systems westward, which subsequently drew Hurricane Sandy sharply toward the New Jersey coast. Later that day, after the cold air had wrapped around and mixed with the warm air of the hurricane, both systems merged. This development effectively transformed the hurricane into a sprawling extratropical cyclone, which was renamed Post-Tropical Cyclone Sandy by the NHC but was referred to as Superstorm Sandy by meteorologists and newscasters."
https://www.britannica.com/event/Superstorm-Sandy
BTW- just discussing here but the storm was in no way "media hype" as you referred to it.
Ok, now back to our regular hurricane IAN ... someone I know is flying from one part of Florida to the Tampa area to get his parents out of there. as I type this.
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Then, I stand corrected on the origin of the term. My apologies.
But we most certainly did get six feet of water in our street from the surge. Eye location, wind velocity, wind direction, surge, and tides all affect how bad the coastal flooding is for us. Sandy was bad.
I’ve been through several hurricanes. Sandy was modest for wind, high for surge. Many of our neighbors sustained damage to their homes, and the sandbags prevented damage to ours.
Here‘s my car in the driveway the month before Sandy.
And then a shot of the 4Runner in the same spot as the water was rising.
And the neighbors evacuating. Yes, the dogs are swimming. This wasn’t the highest water, but you can see that the houses across the street have water in their first floor.
So, whether NOAA calls it a coastal storm, or not, or you consider it a hurricane, or not, we experienced severe flooding, and damage.
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BTW- for anyone who missed this, if you think you may lose power, go out and fill your freezer with as many (hopefully cases) of water bottles that you can. I have a close family member who does this all the time. A recent (in the last few years) coastal hurricane they lost power for over 5 days and the refrigerator stayed cold as they had a couple cases of frozen water bottles in the freezer by the time it hit.
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All good!
Someone I know had his split level home sandbagged on Long Island, Sandy Laughed at it, water submerged the South Shore of Long Island and out of the three floors, the first two floors of his home got submerged. Guessing roughly 12 feet of water, live there most his life, pretty modern home, most they ever got before this was the lower level family room with 2 feet of water during a hurricane.
The photos at the time were unreal, keep in mind we are talking the entire south shore. By the time everything got cleared out, it looked like a snow plow went down the streets to clear them, only it wasnt snow, it was boats, homes, pieces of homes, piles many feet high so cars can get down the roads, really an amazing event. WIth that said, that is the danger of coastal areas ... which we happen to be having home built as I type this *LOL* But safe enough away from the ocean front, and not a flood zone. I actually went to FEMA flood maps to confirm *LOL*
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I thought you might be interested since you were near the coast, this paints a picture of the storm, again for coastal areas. Last contractor refers to the area as worse than Katrina, at the end of the video. Im not saying it was but gives a fair picture of the unique character of the storm.
Also something like 700 homes were auctioned off and torn down or something like that.
Good luck to everyone in Florida its not looking good if the track keeps moving a bit more east before the upper level shear hits.
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Not only wind but flooding from rain can be an issue if the forecast and track hold true for Northern Florida right through to the North Carolina coast.
Still a lot of "can" and "could" in the forecast but agree West Coast someplace around Tampa (north or south) of Florida good luck if you are in a coastal flood zone. Most likely will not be a good outcome.
Still a lot of "can" and "could" in the forecast but agree West Coast someplace around Tampa (north or south) of Florida good luck if you are in a coastal flood zone. Most likely will not be a good outcome.
Sandy hit my neighborhood. As have many hurricanes.
I know what happened in NY/NJ during Sandy. The media made certain of that. I’m not downplaying what happened there.
But many seem to have missed the fact that we got hit, too. In fact, some are arguing the point that we got hit by telling me where the storm was and what it was like when it went by Virginia. I know what it was like.
And they weren’t here, and neither were the news cameras.
My neighbor across the street lost their house - it was razed and later a new house built there.
Lost their house. That’s not a small thing. That’s not a small storm.
Many other neighbors had severe damage which took months to rebuild.
We lucked out because the sandbags worked. They kept the water out of our garage, which is our most vulnerable spot.
I’m familiar with hurricanes having lived through several. I have close friends in Tampa. I’m watching this one closely.
I know what happened in NY/NJ during Sandy. The media made certain of that. I’m not downplaying what happened there.
But many seem to have missed the fact that we got hit, too. In fact, some are arguing the point that we got hit by telling me where the storm was and what it was like when it went by Virginia. I know what it was like.
And they weren’t here, and neither were the news cameras.
My neighbor across the street lost their house - it was razed and later a new house built there.
Lost their house. That’s not a small thing. That’s not a small storm.
Many other neighbors had severe damage which took months to rebuild.
We lucked out because the sandbags worked. They kept the water out of our garage, which is our most vulnerable spot.
I’m familiar with hurricanes having lived through several. I have close friends in Tampa. I’m watching this one closely.
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Schwinney, I strongly recommend you start listening to the news. My wife was once told to come to work one morning as a Cat 3 hurricane was just an hour from landfall. I took the phone from her and told her boss to eff off.
If you don't watch TV use the internet. You might want to watch this. He lives in Tampa.
Depending on where in the area you are maybe you will be off on Wednesday. As of Tuesday late morning the hurricane is still just passing over Cuba or off the coast. Wednesday will be another story.
If you’re in a condo On the second floor or higher you have nothing to worry about or if you are in a home that is not in a flood zone. The bad news is with the home depending where you are you could have damage to the exterior and roof.
Since you don’t watch the news, just go straight to the source, National hurricane center=
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at4.shtml?start#contents
Also for more local =
http://noaa.gov
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I’m aware of what it did.
No one was disputing the damage, particularly me.
My point was about media hype.
There have been other hurricanes, with far greater loss of life, and far more extensive damage.
I know you have been emphasizing this and I’m not discounting the loss of life with the example you used. However that storm was 120 years ago, they didn’t even know a hurricane was coming. This was also before modern day building codes, modern day flood mapping, stuff like that.
In modern day times with weather satellites and weather forecasting hurricane Sandy or super storm Sandy was a significant modern day storm.
I think unmatched by any coastal Stolt on the East Coast of the United States.
PS, I can see they really tightened up the track of IAN as of 11 am o’clock on Tuesday. To me who knows nothing it seems like it very well may hit the coast before it weakens as the track seems to little bit south, no way to know until it happens but not looking good
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I agree! My grandfather use to teach us not to cry wolf…. Oh how those lessons have been lost in so many ways.
Just my $0.02
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Looks like I'm going to be able to weather it out with a friend County since mine is in mandatory Evac. I could stay but I've seen enough bordered up businesses that I'm not sure I'm going to do that.
Boss let us leave early so I'm going to take a shower while I still can and get on up out of here.
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I made an update about the Tampa traffic scene good for about an hour ago on YouTube under #HurricaneIan This Thread is not about showing off social media channels that's why I keep that vague.
I'm loading up what's left of my small amount of food and small amount of water put it in my car using my shower and air conditioning while I still can I'm going to going to head north before the roads get too too bad because I have an invite that's good to weather out the storm and be safe.
Original plan was to head to Sarasota to wish the same to rain and Ray but with the traffic on the highway North that's just not going to happen although I do absolutely wish everyone safety.
I'm loading up what's left of my small amount of food and small amount of water put it in my car using my shower and air conditioning while I still can I'm going to going to head north before the roads get too too bad because I have an invite that's good to weather out the storm and be safe.
Original plan was to head to Sarasota to wish the same to rain and Ray but with the traffic on the highway North that's just not going to happen although I do absolutely wish everyone safety.
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Also here's an excellent point for those of us in the Florida area... beware looters. There are some low-life scumbags that will take this opportunity to break into your home while you are not there..
Now I myself I don't have anything for them to steal but other people I'm sure do.
Now I myself I don't have anything for them to steal but other people I'm sure do.
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It's the only time the PATH tunnel from Jersey City to Manhattan was ever closed.
I could go on because I'm very familiar with that.. but for now we have some real Florida weather that will make Sandy probably look like a joke and I have to go do some things before the road gets really bad. Jersey Tough.. meet the real deal: Florida. *NJ quietly exits the ring.*
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