Hummer Global Debut

[E365]

I wonder how many of these GM is producing now? I really wonder how much GM has lost on these so far?

Under 1,000 allegedly. The first battery plant opened just a few weeks ago. The “Edition 1” models out now were always a “Limited Availability” model using imported cells until the first US battery plant opened.

Higher volume models were long-ago designated for “Fall 2022”, “Early 2023”, “Spring 2023” and later.

This is what they published in Oct 2020 for the pickup version

Then the SUV

 

[alarmguy]

According to the OP, GM started producing the Hummers almost a full year ahead of time. According to his statement which I have not checked for accuracy but nobody contested it since the day he posted it over a year ago.

Meanwhile Tesla hadn’t produced one truck, the truck that is it it’s been talking about for the last five years it’s been so long it almost seems like it’s outdated already
I could be wrong but that’s the most butt ugly useless truck I’ve ever seen, it might’ve looked cool five years ago but I don’t think holds a candle to the offerings from Ford Chevrolet and Rivian.
I mean what are you supposed to do with that thing? I guess just another status symbol, or me too thing?

 

[PimTac]

According to the OP, GM started producing the Hummers almost a full year ahead of time. According to his statement which I have not checked for accuracy but nobody contested it since the day he posted it over a year ago.

Meanwhile Tesla hadn’t produced one truck, the truck that is it it’s been talking about for the last five years it’s been so long it almost seems like it’s outdated already
I could be wrong but that’s the most butt ugly useless truck I’ve ever seen, it might’ve looked cool five years ago but I don’t think holds a candle to the offerings from Ford Chevrolet and Rivian.
I mean what are you supposed to do with that thing? I guess just another status symbol, or me too thing?

It’s vapor ware so far until it comes out.

The EV truck segment should be a hot ticket but so far we have seen very little. In this respect I believe that Ford fumbled the ball. The Maverick should have been a EV or hybrid platform. The smaller pickup segment should be the first one to go EV. It would be perfect for the weekend homeowner chores.

 

[ZeeOSix]

The Maverick should have been a EV or hybrid platform.

It has a hybrid platform.

https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/2022-ford-maverick-hybrid

 

[JeffKeryk]

It has a hybrid platform.

https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/2022-ford-maverick-hybrid

I believe the hybrid is FWD, the RWD and 4WD are gas. I think that's the configurations...

 

[alarmguy]

I have my down payment for the new Corvair...

If you’re referencing the Corvair because of Ralph Nader‘s famous book “Unsafe at Any Speed”

WOW Read his words about Tesla =
“Activist Ralph Nader, whose landmark 1965 book "Unsafe at Any Speed" led to the creation of NHTSA, calls Tesla's technology "one of the most dangerous and irresponsible actions by a car company in decades."

Source =
https://www.axios.com/2022/10/05/elon-musk-twitter-tesla

 

[c502cid]

I'm doing work for GM on the military version of this Hummer. It's very badass. You all are taking a very narrow view, judging success or failure, on the few variables that you know of. I can't say I blame you really. This platform engineering will be spread out over many different business units. While I can't say I'm an electric vehicle convert, all the different manufacturer EV programs I am working on are educating me and changing my old school points of view.

 

[pezzy84]

I'm doing work for GM on the military version of this Hummer. It's very badass. You all are taking a very narrow view, judging success or failure, on the few variables that you know of. I can't say I blame you really. This platform engineering will be spread out over many different business units. While I can't say I'm an electric vehicle convert, all the different manufacturer EV programs I am working on are educating me and changing my old school points of view.

Oh no doubt GM will do fine with the platform since the pipeline of the Ultium platform is probably almost a dozen brands/models deep once all is in production, Hummer EV and Caddy Lyriq reservation books are chock full last I gathered. Hopefully with GM doing two lower volume models to kick off they will be better prepared for the higher volume introductions (Equinox and Blazer).

 

[UncleDave]

According to the OP, GM started producing the Hummers almost a full year ahead of time. According to his statement which I have not checked for accuracy but nobody contested it since the day he posted it over a year ago.

Meanwhile Tesla hadn’t produced one truck, the truck that is it it’s been talking about for the last five years it’s been so long it almost seems like it’s outdated already
I could be wrong but that’s the most butt ugly useless truck I’ve ever seen, it might’ve looked cool five years ago but I don’t think holds a candle to the offerings from Ford Chevrolet and Rivian.
I mean what are you supposed to do with that thing? I guess just another status symbol, or me too thing?

In April of 2021 they "debuted" the hummer with a launch date of "early 2023".

Then GM claimed they accelerated it to the fall of 21 which they missed.

Early production units started to hit in late 22,but production wont be continuous, the line will stop in November.
They are shutting it down because it shares batteries with lyric and cant make enough for both models.

Tesla gets no pass on missing its own truck launch- they totally blew it.
I agree its ugly as sin, and doenst look very usable as a truck at least for me. Its about as usable as the hummer.
To my mind telsa blew it on both the style and date, although if it ever ships they'll sell a ton of them.
Start a cyber truck thread if you want to talk about that.


https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...ovember-until-the-end-of-the-year-200347.html

 

[E365]

In April of 2021 they "debuted" the hummer with a launch date of "early 2023".

Then GM claimed they accelerated it to the fall of 21 which they missed.

Not entirely accurate. The Hummer Pickup debuted in October 2020 and the first delivery was in Fall 2021, as scheduled.

The Hummer SUV debuted in April 2021 with first delivers scheduled for Early 2023.

I can’t find any reference to initial production being “accelerated” to earlier dates for either the pickup or SUV versions. SUV still looks like early 2023.

Here’s the press releases.
https://media.gmc.com/media/us/en/g...nt/Pages/news/us/en/2020/sep/0914-hummer.html

https://media.gmc.com/media/us/en/g...nt/Pages/news/us/en/2021/dec/1217-hummer.html

https://media.gmc.com/media/us/en/g...Pages/news/us/en/2021/apr/0403-hummer-mm.html

Here’s an article from the day they revealed the pickup on October 20th 2020. The pickup was always scheduled for Fall 2021 initial availability.

CNBC: Oct 20, 2020

Initial availability of the Hummer EV pickup next fall will start at $112,595, including destination charges, for a launch version called the "Edition 1."

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/10/20/gm-unveils-hummer-ev-as-worlds-first-supertruck-for-112600.html

Now the Cadillac Lyriq WAS accelerated. That was supposed to start prodction this fall and they actually started this spring/summer.

 

[alarmguy]

Its about as usable as the hummer.

As we know, matter of opinion.
For me, its a monster of a truck and I love riding in a truck that has an interior that reminds me of some living rooms!

 

[Silver]

Makes me want a '91 Silverado with a 6" lift.

 

[KJH]

TFL Truck just bought one and it broke down with 250 miles on it.

Cliffs Notes. Roman ignored a “service steering rack” message and decided to restart the truck in the middle of rush hour traffic (??). Then it wouldn’t go out of Park. They disconnected/reconnected the 12v battery and it worked fine after that.

Call me a luddite and this is just my opinion and this has little bearing on my thoughts on widespread future adoption etc, but that looks like a nightmare and if this is the future count me out.

I 1000% dont want my vehicle to work like an iphone/PC when it comes to fundamental operation, and im not a older dude that didnt grow up with this, I'm a younger guy thats a lifelong very proficient computer/smartphone "power" user.

My thoughts on this isnt exclusively anti-EV as many modern ICE cars use this approach to a much lesser extent, but fundamental vehicle operation being completely intertwined with highly abstracted proprietary software is, IMO, NOT good.

 

[UncleDave]

Call me a luddite and this is just my opinion and this has little bearing on my thoughts on widespread future adoption etc, but that looks like a nightmare and if this is the future count me out.

I 1000% dont want my vehicle to work like an iphone/PC when it comes to fundamental operation, and im not a older dude that didnt grow up with this, I'm a younger guy thats a lifelong very proficient computer/smartphone "power" user.

My thoughts on this isnt exclusively anti-EV as many modern ICE cars use this approach to a much lesser extent, but fundamental vehicle operation being completely intertwined with highly abstracted proprietary software is, IMO, NOT good.

In a world of software driven cars software experience means a lot.

Not entirely accurate. The Hummer Pickup debuted in October 2020 and the first delivery was in Fall 2021, as scheduled.

The Hummer SUV debuted in April 2021 with first delivers scheduled for Early 2023.

I can’t find any reference to initial production being “accelerated” to earlier dates for either the pickup or SUV versions. SUV still looks like early 2023.

Here’s the press releases.
https://media.gmc.com/media/us/en/g...nt/Pages/news/us/en/2020/sep/0914-hummer.html

https://media.gmc.com/media/us/en/g...nt/Pages/news/us/en/2021/dec/1217-hummer.html

https://media.gmc.com/media/us/en/g...Pages/news/us/en/2021/apr/0403-hummer-mm.html

Here’s an article from the day they revealed the pickup on October 20th 2020. The pickup was always scheduled for Fall 2021 initial availability.

CNBC: Oct 20, 2020


https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/10/20/gm-unveils-hummer-ev-as-worlds-first-supertruck-for-112600.html

Now the Cadillac Lyriq WAS accelerated. That was supposed to start prodction this fall and they actually started this spring/summer.

I stand corrected on the pickup vs suv - they both share the same ultium platform.

Their internal designations dont always spell it out - for example you cant really tell if this is the truck or SUV version- it says neither.

 

[KJH]

In a world of software driven cars software experience means a lot.


I stand corrected on the pickup vs suv - they both share the same ultium platform.

Their internal designations dont always spell it out - for example you cant really tell if this is the truck or SUV version- it says neither.



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And I am all for taking advantage of software to improve vehicles, it's the implementation that has me worried based on my current knowledge and what I have seen/experienced with EV's and newer cars. Basically, I'm of the opinion that if the car senses a steering rack error or whatever, I want to still have simple, intuitive control over the basic operations of the vehicle. Not having to use a screen based GUI, or restart the whole system or disconnect the 12v or whatever it may be. If someone that has more experience in this department can inform me that this is already the case or I got it all wrong I'm all ears, I am just going off of what I have observed and do not have too much first hand experience with EVs.

For me, fundamental vehicle operation, whether it be a E-bike or a spaceship, should have more or less a "hard" path be the primary or at least readily accessible to the user/operator that at its most complex (if electric operation) is simple independent controls that are independently linked to the most direct hardware and lowest level of software possible used to control that operation, not control based around a touchscreen with who knows how many layers of abstracted and intertwined high-level software architectures and modules stacked on each other.

 

[Cujet]

I'm doing work for GM on the military version of this Hummer. It's very badass. You all are taking a very narrow view, judging success or failure, on the few variables that you know of. I can't say I blame you really. This platform engineering will be spread out over many different business units. While I can't say I'm an electric vehicle convert, all the different manufacturer EV programs I am working on are educating me and changing my old school points of view.

I absolutely love driving EV's. What's not to love? They have a magic combination of characteristics that please the true driving enthusiast. I really enjoy the instant response, ample acceleration and the feel that a low center of gravity battery provides. 100% sold on these facts.

However, when real work must be done, the EV falls very short. 3 laps at Daytona is about all the Plaid can do. People forget that the interstates are chock-a-block full of long distance travelers, a task unsuited for most EV's. Example: The F150 with it's 135KWh battery can tow an RV trailer 70 miles starting at 100% charge, at which point the battery is hot, won't take a rapid charge, and the typical 20%-80% battery 45 minute charge, (battery safe operating range) limits subsequent legs to 45 miles. Or wait 2 hours to get to 100% and go another 70 miles.

Lithium is the most active metal on the periodic chart with regard to safe, movable ions. There won't be a replacement for lithium, and there won't be a magic battery that has 3x better energy density. It simply is not physically possible, regardless of how many research dollars we throw at it. What will happen is faster charging and ever larger batteries.

 

[alarmguy]

^^
Having grown up at a time when the Challenger and Cuda were awesome cars that I always, always loved the looks, exterior and interior, two friends had them. One was a Cuda a bit more modern than the other Challenger. Cant remember the exact years, very late 60's or early 70s.
Im kind of looking forward to see how Dodge pulls off what is supposed to be a another muscle car only in 2024 will be strictly EV. So many rumors around at exactly how powerful they are going to be, not that I will ever own one but that "look" even in the new versions still reminds me of the past. Safe to say they will have the, what seems to be the new standard for muscle cars 0 to 60 in 2 seconds. Rumors also saying 500 miles on a charge which I personally doubt.

 

[JeffKeryk]

^^
Having grown up at a time when the Challenger and Cuda were awesome cars that I always, always loved the looks, exterior and interior, two friends had them. One was a Cuda a bit more modern than the other Challenger. Cant remember the exact years, very late 60's or early 70s.
Im kind of looking forward to see how Dodge pulls off what is supposed to be a another muscle car only in 2024 will be strictly EV. So many rumors around at exactly how powerful they are going to be, not that I will ever own one but that "look" even in the new versions still reminds me of the past. Safe to say they will have the, what seems to be the new standard for muscle cars 0 to 60 in 2 seconds. Rumors also saying 500 miles on a charge which I personally doubt.

500 mile range is not a problem. You just need a bigger battery. But if you are doing a bunch of 2 second 0-60 runs, you ain't going 500 miles...
All good. When you come to CA, you can take the Model 3 out for a spin and make life miserable for all the exotics.

 

[pezzy84]

Wow this is a huge failure - both on the part of GM and TFL Truck. I have always enjoyed TFL but the fact a professional reviewer can't crack open an electronic owners manual and instead goes through the same motions over and over again expecting a different result.....for an hour per his tow truck ETA. That was just a shame.

Unfortunate the Hummer bricked itself in the middle of traffic in what appears to be a busy area. I would have left the keys and walked to closest area to have a squat until the tow truck arrived, let GM Roadside pay for all the fees or trying to get that thing up onto the flatbed while stuck in park.

 

[Passport1]

I absolutely love driving EV's. What's not to love?

Except missing the chance to experience the frisson of rowing a manual transmission, challenging the syncros and marinating in the sound of a snarling engine? Love the EV if you will, the rest will be gone forever.

When all cars become high tech toasters, aficionado involvement will sadly be just