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What do you all think about the amount of crude oil available in the World. The US and China and India with their growth that is ever increasing.

It kind of scares me. They say that a shortage of only 5% caused the early 70s gas crisis. They are saying that we are in store for much worse.

It is easy to say ah that is #@$%!. But what if they are right? They whole world economy runs off of dino crude. Think about it our food supply and everything we hold dear hinges on having plenty of crude.

I watched the Crude Awakening a Documentary. It seems to be kind of biased, but still they have some very good points.
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Right now I think there's plenty of oil, but the oil companies know we need it, so they keep raising the price. Kind of like the "sin" tax on cigarettes. It's all about greed. Really aggrivating. I doubt we're going to run out any time soon though.
 
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After much consideration a couple of years ago, I realized that "peak oil" is largely a scam designed to make the doomsayers wealthy selling books, seminars, and other material on what to expect and how to survive. Walk into any bookseller and you will see numerous books in the current affairs and science sections with scaremongering titles such as The End of Oil and The Party's Over. Reminds me of Y2K, various economy/market crash scenarios, nuclear war, etc., hyped to scare people in the past. In all cases a kernel of truth underlied the scenario, but the probability of its occurrence and its effects were blown out of reasonable proportion—not to mention your likelihood of surviving such events intact had they come true, whether you tried to follow those books' recommendations or not.

But! That doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned about fuel supplies down the road. I see real reason to worry in several years. The main oil field in Kuwait is in decline. That was the one we fought Operation Desert Storm over in 1991. It produced less in 2005 than in 2004. (I don't have the 2006 results.)

A number of people in the oil industry are concerned about the true state of the Saudi oil fields that are currently in production, as these fields have been pumping since the 1970s and should be in decline, yet the Saudis have not made the investment to start production in new fields. The book Twilight in the Desert, by an American oil industry banker who toured the Saudi fields and was appalled by their condition, summarizes this. It will take time to get new fields going to replace the old. The only people able to provide figures on Saudi oil supplies are—the Saudis. They don't allow outside experts for such estimates. Or if they do, the outsiders are not permitted to publicize the findings.

Other countries in the Middle East are expected to go from oil exporters to net oil importers over the next several years, including Egypt and Syria. Dubai expects to be out of oil by 2020, which is why we're seeing the huge investment in tourist-trap silliness there now: that's to keep money coming in once oil revenue declines.

I suspect there is plenty of oil around to replace declining production elsewhere. But we should start thinking about how we can conserve and using sense in what we do consume. The reality is true that China, India, Vietnam, and other industrializing countries with rising standards of living will all require more oil as time passes. If anything, the US has stopped producing a lot of things and should cut back its resource consumption anyway. We consume more resources per capita than any other nation, but our manufacturing capability has withered. Our continued high consumption doesn't make sense, and I fear a rude awakening might be around the corner as oil prices continue their rise.

A few weeks back I got into a dispute with one of the administrators on BITOG because I dared to criticize the beloved Bugatti Veyron that can go 250 mph. He threatened to lock the thread in question over my comments. My grounds were that the engineering talent and money used to develop that car should have been used to create a family vehicle capable of high mileage, and I mentioned in passing some of the concerns about future fuel availability that I spelled out in detail above. The horsepower race among the European luxury and sports car manufacturers looks a bit ridiculous to me as well, and not just for the fuel consumption reason. (If the highest US speed limit is 80 mph, why are so many high-end cars capable of double that speed? Why don't we require new vehicles to have governors set to, say, 100 mph? Japan has mandated them for years.)

Don't forget that the automakers are under the gun to improve CO2 emissions—that is, increase fuel economy—so there's another reason to question the need for conspicuous-consumption halo cars such as the Veyron that are capable of speeds far in excess of any posted speed limit in the world. The recent US Supreme Court decision directing the EPA to regulate CO2 emissions means that we will have tighter fuel economy standards. An automaker that has the resources to create another superfluous supercar probably has the resources to design the kinds of economical vehicles we need now to weather the coming storm.

I've made this prediction before in these forums, but I'll make it again: in 10 years' time these vehicles will not be a significant part of our personal transportation mix: SUVs, supercars, sedans with much more than 300 hp, pickups used as personal vehicles, and most two-seat sports cars.

As I said, I don't buy the peak oil scenario. But we are likely to see fuel shortages, and the long-term trend for fuel prices is nothing but up, no matter what resources get developed down the road. We need to grow up and prepare now.
 
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oilboy123,
WARNING,once you start reading about this topic it becomes addictive. Unless you live in a cave, everything you do is tied to oil. The real grabber for me is the statement "whens the last time you heard of a big oil discovery?". Last summer there was a story about something in the Gulf of Mexico but its 27,000' down!! My desire to learn about this was triggered by wanting to be prepared but there will be no solution (2nd law of thermodynamics) in short NO TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO SAVE US. You won't realize that peak oil has arrived at your front door until several years of spot shortages {some predictions say as early as this AUGUST}. Our police station in Iraq is certainly having its problems. Up until this point there usually has been a technofix for our wants but not this time. We hade our chance in the 74' Embargo, but chose to just consume ever- more quantities of this stuff? The light sweet crude source (great for gasoline production)off the coast of western Africa is in real jeopardy. Chindia wants more everyday. Currently the world's oil demand grows 2% annually and oil fields drop-off between 3-5% each year. Therefore we need to increase our finds by 6-8%annually and that my friends is not happening. It is a dark topic but shouldn't be ignored, especially if planning a vehicle purchase.

http://www.energybulletin.net/
 
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oilboy123,
WARNING,once you start reading about this topic it becomes addictive. Unless you live in a cave, everything you do is tied to oil. The real grabber for me is the statement "whens the last time you heard of a big oil discovery?". Last summer there was a story about something in the Gulf of Mexico but its 27,000' down!! My desire to learn about this was triggered by wanting to be prepared but there will be no solution (2nd law of thermodynamics) in short NO TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO SAVE US. You won't realize that peak oil has arrived at your front door until several years of spot shortages {some predictions say as early as this AUGUST}. Our police station in Iraq is certainly having its problems. Up until this point there usually has been a technofix for our wants but not this time. We hade our chance in the 74' Embargo, but chose to just consume ever- more quantities of this stuff? The light sweet crude source (great for gasoline production)off the coast of western Africa is in real jeopardy. Chindia wants more everyday. Currently the world's oil demand grows 2% annually and oil fields drop-off between 3-5% each year. Therefore we need to increase our finds by 6-8%annually and that my friends is not happening. It is a dark topic but shouldn't be ignored, especially if planning a vehicle purchase.

http://www.energybulletin.net/




Any dissenters with facts to make us feel good? I have a really nice F-150 that pretty much stays parked while I drive around my old beater subaru because it gets so much better gas mileage. We replaced my wifes crv with a slightly newer corolla and those moves save us a couple hundred dollars a month at the pump. I plan on using up the last of my dino oil on the next oil change and switching to synthetic just to double the oci.

Most people seem oblivious to these things however. I am at least enjoying the cost benefits of reduced consumption and don't feel my lifestyle has been hindered at all. It would seem that there will have to be some serious shortages before the masses get worried about these things. Increasing the prices haven't had alot of effect imo.

-Doug
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The average consumer isn't concerned with much other than making this month's monthy payments on whatever it is they choose to buy. They don't look very far ahead. They aren't much concerned with ecology, long-term health, or their "neighbor" (which includes everyone on the entire Earth, friends and enemies alike....see...I told you "most" people aren't concerned with such topics). The average consumer in the US is simply concerned with their ability to CONVENIENTLY consume whatever it is they desire to consume today, next week, and next month.

Yes, oil is a finite source. Yes, we have enough to supply us for a long time, depending upon your definition of "long". Is your definition a couple of decades? A couple of generations? A couple of centuries? None of these time-lines are "long" in the big scheme.

Oh, wait, I forgot...the people that are consuming the resources don't much care to think much further than next month. That's easy to see everytime you observe a smoker, or a morbidly obese person eating a plate full of lard-covered whatever. Don't get me wrong, it's fine with me if they destroy themselves prematurely, but, short-term pleasures may have long-term ramifications...and the smoker has no business complaining about emphysema/cancer/heart disease if they don't change their habits, nor does the mordibly obese person have a right to complain about joint degeneration/diabetes/etc., if they don't change their habits. In the same way, as a group, we don't have a right to complain too much about higher oil prices, if we don't change our habits.

No body has FORCED us to smoke, eat too much, or buy SUVs to drive to the mall. Our choices have ramifications. We're making our bed with our everyday choices, and we'll have to lie in the end result...higher prices for oil only seems logical to me. In fact, I welcome higher gas prices...I think it is the only way for the average consumer to change their habits over time, by choosing more efficient ways of moving from one place to another. Decreased burning of fossil fuels is actually a very good thing, but, the reasons of ecology and conservation apparently have almost zero effect on the people in the USA.
 
Why are there no Energy Star fans in the stores? They're all $10 shaded-pole motor jobs that suck power. If you run one for 4 hrs/day, that's about $20/year in electricity. A high efficiency motor would save $5 each year, and might make the fan cost $20 instead of $10. If a fan lasts 4 years, you're paying $2.50 extra a year to save $5 a year. That's a pretty good ROI.
 
dhise,
Sorry if this sublect is harsh, but as our great coach Bill Bellicheck once said, "It is what it is." This is a topic that is better to be informed than just putting ones' head in the sand. Anyway, in this world where everone gets a prize for showing up, dealing with losing our slave (oil)will be tough for most. Developing a hobby such as breadmaking, growing vegetables, or brewing your own beer may become more important than you could imagine. For those of us old enough to rememder the oil embargo, it was caused by only cutting their supply by only 8% at that time. We had excess then and were able to overcome the shortfall after a few dreadful months. This also triggered a lomg recession here. If you want to read about where a lot of the oil comes from you can check out this link.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2470
 
ekrampitzjr,

Excellent post!
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I'm glad that some people know what's really going on in the world and that the government and auto makers don't have our best interest in mind. Good for you pointing out that the Veyron is an absolute waste of resources. VW could have spent the money to further their TDI technology, #@$%! we don't even have the TDIs here in the states right now.

Attention automakers!

When I buy my next car; if you can't get 40mpg minimum you need not apply.
 
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When I buy my next car; if you can't get 40mpg minimum you need not apply.




Therein lies the 'rub' for me: 12 year old Saturn gets nearly 40MPG every tank. Why can't GM produce cars that hit 38MPG on the highway? My Saturn was engineered in the early 90's...15 years ago...15 years worth of greater efficiencies that are NOT being realized. Case in point: Saturn Ion vs Chevy Cobalt. The Cobalt is nicer looking in every way, but why does it receive a 34MPG rating vs 35MPG for the Ion (5speed stick)? 200lbs worth of sheet metal on the Cobalt!

Why are the cars getting heavier? Just doesn't make sense to buy a new car that gets less MPG than what I own now. Not only would I have to pay all that $$ for the car, but the extra $$$ for the fuel. Seems like a double-waste of money to me.

Hybrids are only prolonging the problem as it's a band-aid answer to the real problem: a TRUE solution that doesn't rely on foreign countries nor government bureaucracies.
 
"...Therein lies the 'rub' for me: 12 year old Saturn gets nearly 40MPG every tank. Why can't GM produce cars that hit 38MPG on the highway? ..."

ToyotaNsaturn-

trouble is, most domestic manufacturers's beancounters don't care/want to invest in mid to long term investments re: improving fuel economy, but just to throw in enough "yesteryears" old blueprints, mis-mash of old designs and half-monkey's job and call it a new 2008 release. Yes, while I must say that there are some really good designs we have over many decades that simply cannot be ignored (e.g. "iron duke 4, slant 6, olds 6cyl block, etc.) but the truth is, technology-wise, how many "new" combustion chamber designs and optimisations have you heard from domestics??

Yes, I know that from a profit-making perspectives: one shall attempt to make the most profits by putting out designs that barely meet the requirements (those are usually lower end designs, or older/cheaper designs that doesn't require extensive retooling and such). That being said, however, one shall not disregard the potential benefits of putting out new, proven designs that can benefit the nation as a whole, even though the ticket price may be 10% more.

If I may take a few foreign designs as an examples:

(1) during the early 70s oil crisis, Honda was able to throw in a very intelligent design called CVCC (Compound Vortex Controlled Combustion) engine into their lowly civics and Accords that burns so clean, it doesn't require catalytic convertor and smog pumps... Naysayers may critise it for not being reliable and more, but the truth is, how many automanufacturers willing to throw in something that radical designs (I aware of the PTFE coated cylinder wall Vega /wenkel engine Vega prototypes back in those days)

(2)latest generation of Vtec engines and i-Vtec engines: it can be tuned to put out 100hps/1litre in a stock production normally-apirated engine or de-tuned to become their true lean-burn engine (recall the civic VX hatchback with low-rolling resistance Dunlop tires and a 1.5L engine that is capable of roughly 70hp? That thing can go up to 28:1 air/fuel ratio!

(3) Mitsubishi had it's MCA designs in the late 70s in dealing with US smog regulations, and in the early 90s, they already released their lean-burn equivalent platform for gasoline called MIVEC which took almost a decade before they are willing to ship to the US ...

(4)10 yrs ago, VW released their lean-burn TDI engine that is capable of running the fuel-air mixture so lean, it would require an additional spark plug to ignite the mixture!

Yes, hybrid maybe a band-aid solution but the way I see it, it serves the intermediate stage of automobile energy/fuel type transition well enough to stay on for at least another 20 yrs until we can find a safer, more economical means of acquiring energy conversion for personal mobility...

Oh and another thing that makes US market difficult to deal with is the inherent safety requirements such as additional SRS, impact testings, etc. has made typical market-ready vehicles to be several hundred pounds heavier than their other counterparts throughout the rest of the world. Also the creature-comfort that US buyers would look for ......

And not to mention the high-horsepower, 0-60mph rating, 1/4mile comparision, etc. only to go into a vehicle that typically carries 1 single occupant, idling in downtown NYC or SoCal pumping out greenhouse gas...

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My 2c's worth. Feel free to grill/flame-broil me on this one...
 
Oh and BTW: with gas price so high these days, I practice sensible driving and trip planning these days to save gas (and I drive a small car, just fyi).

1: I plan my grocery shopping trip during weekend wee-morning hours where the traffic is light, or late in the evening (past 8pm).


2: Just like our local UPS delivery, things/places that I need to cover within the trip, I would try to work out the shortest cumulative distance possible, with least amount of idling/traffice congestion encounterings possible.

3:unless there's an emergency, otherwise, I would travel with more than 1 occupants in my vehicle (aka my wife and kid) during the trip.

4: if I have to drive to work, I carpool (or join the carpool ride here)

5: I fuel up when the gas price is low

6: I regularly tune up my vehicle, check my tire pressures, etc. to ensure that I'm getting the most out of every tank of gas.

7: I go easy on my accelerator pedal and basically "glides" through traffice lights/junctions and anticipate any redlights in front of me so as to minimise full braking to a stop (0-60kms acceleration still accounts for the bulk of gasoline used during city driving)

8: I add fuel stabiliser in my gas to keep my autogas fresh over the extended period of time ( I take public transit to work sometimes and that leaves my vehicle sitting while gasoline goes stale...)

Bottomline: I know my lifestyle and my activities makes me a contributor to the global greenhouse gas emitter but by planning/using my vehicle sensibly I would hope that I'm leaving a much small carbon footprint while living on this earth and save the environment for my kid's future living.

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It is a shame there isn't a sliding slope, that allows vehicles a little extra CO2 as long as they can manage low NOx emissions, and vice versa. We seem to have a cap here and a cap on that gas... which really cuts into lean burning efficient cars. And diesels.

The 90's cars could run a leaner AFR than the current junk because, IMO, of misguided environmental laws.
 
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