HPL SAE 40 PCMO
- Thread starter Hohn
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I promise that it is available in whatever quantity you like.
6 x 1 quart boxes. 12 x 1 quart boxes. Gallon jugs. 5 gallon pails. 55 gallon drums. 320 gallon totes.
But you have to pick up the phone and talk to a human, not look at a website.
You guys are used to consumer facing companies. Those that cater to the whims of individual buyers. This is a company that is focused on large fleet, racing teams, and other people who buy oil in very large quantities.
That website is built for people like you, who constitute less than 1% of their business. It’s a good website, but if you want something, pick up the phone and talk to a human being.
Their product line is extensive, and there are things that are not on the website.
Products, like their 75W manual transmission oil, that I’ve ordered, in exactly the quantity that I desired, for the same price as the website.
But you have to talk to them.
Give my best to Mary Jane.
She is the nice lady who fills my orders, and, without asking, will adjust my shipping down from what the website quotes, if a cheaper option exists.
In a world where everyone complains about not being able to get a person to answer a call, for this case, you want to avoid using the web, and talk to the person.
Ironically, for most people on BITOG, this is exactly what you’ve been asking for, a real human, who will answer your questions, who will help you out, and get you the best price.
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Well, maybe it should, but spending a large amount of effort, to build a site that caters to less than 1% of your client base, isn’t exactly good business.
Two words: call them
Not really invested here, I'm not complaining about that product page myself, just repeating what HPL has stated on this forum in the past (12x1qt only because of low demand), but it's 2026, I'm not calling a company to ask for a list of products in case they might offer something I can use. Custom stuff, sure, absolutely. If I want some diff life with no FM, I understand that's unusual and I should call/email.
It sounds like you want to support HPL, or at least want people to order from them. If that's the case, can you list out some of these products that are not on the website?
I never claimed that PAO/Star oils "suffer from high traction heating." Obviously my re-read of my own postings is hardly neutral, but your characterization of my posting sure seems like a straw man to me.
I think we can agree for sure that any traction differences are minor at most and not by themselves dispositive for oil selection in this context.
I'm still researching the relative contributions to traction of different base oil and VII content, but the best I can come up with at this point is that, with equivalent KV100 or even equivalent HTHS, it's possible for the lower traction to be either the thick GTL base or the thin PAO with lots of VII-- the determinant not being one oil other the other so much as the operating temperature and film load/shear rate and slide/roll ratio in rolling elements
https://www.stle.org/files/TLTArchives/2022/09_September/Cover_Story.aspx
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11249-016-0791-7
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11249-018-1007-0
https://escholarship.org/content/qt57s9p3mn/qt57s9p3mn_noSplash_4d2e90e09e9f7791317bfd9a02fe0ce2.pdf
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/trol/11/2/11_444/_pdf
https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/586/viscosity-coefficient-bearing
....and many, many more.
I'm sort of regretting going down this rabbit hole. Sort of violates the old maxim about not asking the question if you don't really want to know the answer.
55-gal drums. 
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️ Not a straw man, perhaps just now how you intended it, but these are your words. I think this a rabbit hole that is poorly understood and frankly, requires lots of guessing since no one is publishing a traction coefficient for the final products being discussed.
So you got that from "MINOR traction penalty" and "SLIGHTLY higher traction penalty." That's how you got to "suffer from traction heating"?
QED
QED
Look, if you can’t be bothered to pick up the phone, I am not going to do it for you.
I made a phone call and it went quick to talk about making SAE 20 CK-4, which wasn't on their drop down. I ordered it right after and it is now in the drop down forever. Took all of 10 minutes total. That was 2 years ago. Haven't had to make a phone call since. Sorry it takes too long to get what you want 
. Its definitely a personal problem. Again, we are the 1%, come get what you want, nerds
. Its definitely a personal problem. Again, we are the 1%, come get what you want, nerdsGood links, in that they help understand where one would have to start looking at - when absolutely needing to talk "traction": Start looking for the slide-roll-ratio characterizations, the Gigapascals,.. to identify relevant areas in your ICE. (Hint: 50% less of something in a pump may or may not be 50% reduction in your lubey go round pump, when there's not too much EHL to find and start from.)
It's actually a really good website if it's true that consumer sales are <1% of their revenue. Remarkable really.
I also learned too late that Mary Jane will sell you whatever you want in whatever quantity you want if you call. I was looking for gear oil, and they only had it listed in cases online. Had already placed my Amsoil order though.
When you do a phone order do they send you a payment link via email or do you give your cc info directly to her over the phone? I've always bought form the site/had what I needed in the quantity needed. I will need to actually call next time as I think I'm just going to order 3 qts of diff life oil.
Over the phone, though, in my case, I think the credit card was already on file.
So, you can order less than the min. 12 qt. of HPL oil when call them and pay over the phone?
Thanks, I didn't know that!
I’m only contrasting D1g2 against higher calcium API SN style packages as representative of the two veins of HPL’s PAO based products, because HPL generally has “euro” additive packages (higher calcium) or D1G2 (higher magnesium).I may be off beat here, but you’re recommending Dexos1 Gen 2 for this application, and I was curious about the reasoning. With Gen 3 available, it appears to be a more robust approval on paper. What are the differences, if you don't mind, between Gen 2 and Gen 3 that would make one more appropriate than the other in this case?
Thanks again for the thread, I’ve learned a lot from it.View attachment 322902
The gen 2 vs gen 3 question is probably better directed to HPL. I’m not recommending gen 2 over gen 3, I’m recommending HPL that happens to use gen 2. If HPL was using gen 3, I’d recommend that instead of.
Tom NJ
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Actually 25 cSt is the viscosity at 40°C. The KV100 is 5 cSt.
Thanks for the correction, Tom.
If we assume this oil is heavily based on Nexbase 8030, do you think mPAO or Ester thickening makes the most sense? Probably some of each judging by the unexpected pour point drop and the elevated KV100 vs Nexbase 8030?
