HPL Black Friday 2024

[MolaKule]

Yeah which is why i pass on it until i see a product data sheet. Pretty sure it may work fine but i cant just flush in new CVT fluid without knowing its compatible with the OEM im replacing.

Its not so critical for to replace it now since the vehicle is roughly 38000 miles new. Its just in Honda circles its known that the OEM CVT stuff is absolutely doo doo in terms of longevity which is why they have short drain intervals of 20 to 30k.

Just to let you know that foreign ATF fluid tests and specifications are not published.

The best a blender can do is to acquire a DI additive package and blend it according to a recipe. The DI additive package manufacturer tests its formulation in actual driveline hardware to determine coverage and then produces a recipe for the blender that contains their additive.

In HPL's case I can assure readers that the best DI additive package and components they use meet or exceed any CVT requirement.

 

[#18FAN]

Merry Xmas HPL wife getting a 5gal pail of CK4 5w40 under the Xmas tree for the 21 Ram.

 

[sandcritter]

Thanks, HPL!
Promo helped me pull trigger on mish-mash of needs across different vehicles, that otherwise gets pricey to ship and I delay or otherwise wouldn’t have ordered. So, thanks!

 

[thetricky]

Just to let you know that foreign ATF fluid tests and specifications are not published.

The best a blender can do is to acquire a DI additive package and blend it according to a recipe. The DI additive package manufacturer tests its formulation in actual driveline hardware to determine coverage and then produces a recipe that contains their additive.

In HPL's case I can assure readers that the best DI additive package and components they use meet or exceed any CVT requirement.

That’s interesting, I did not know that. Is that why the manufacturers spec all kinds of oils for their cvts? I remember seeing a graph from Subaru that showed all kinds of fluids used here and there, it just seemed cluttered and unnecessary when one or two fluids could do the trick?

 

[MolaKule]

That’s interesting, I did not know that. Is that why the manufacturers spec all kinds of oils for their cvts? I remember seeing a graph from Subaru that showed all kinds of fluids used here and there, it just seemed cluttered and unnecessary when one or two fluids could do the trick?

Different fluids for each component of the vehicle have different base oils and additives.

If the vehicle manf. lists a series of fluids suitable for the CVT I have to assume they are giving the owner a CHOICE of fluids to pick from.

 

[thetricky]

Different fluids for each component of the vehicle have different base oils and additives.

If the vehicle manf. lists a series of fluids suitable for the CVT I have to assume they are giving the owner a CHOICE of fluids to pick from.

Poor wording on my part. What I was trying to ask: is that why we see an oil like Amsoil, for example, whose CVT fluid covers a ton of manufacturer specs? Manufacturers seem pretty rigid on cvt specs, hence the large hesitation of people not wanting to move to aftermarket fluids.

 

[MolaKule]

...What I was trying to ask: is that why we see an oil like Amsoil, for example, whose CVT fluid covers a ton of manufacturer specs? Manufacturers seem pretty rigid on cvt specs, hence the large hesitation of people not wanting to move to aftermarket fluids.

Let get some language clarified. Amsoil and other Blenders are making a claim that their CVT fluid is "suitable" for use in or can "cover" the various applications with this fluid in ....... vehicles.

Here is the exact Amsoil language:

"APPLICATIONS AMSOIL Synthetic CVT Fluid is recommended for belt- and chain-type continuously variable transmissions requiring the following: [LIST of Vehicles in which this fluid will function properly]."

https://amsoilcontent.com/ams/lit/databulletins/g3273.pdf

Why? Because of standardized testing such as:

"Lab Tested
AMSOIL lab testing reveals AMSOIL CVT Fluid provides exceptional wear and durability for CVT transmissions:• In FZG wear testing (ASTM D5182) AMSOIL CVT Fluid surpassed a 12-stage pass.• In the JASO LVFA Anti-Shudder Durability Test, AMSOIL CVT Fluid lasted six times longer, translating into improved anti-shudder durability and reduced noise, vibration and harshness." This is only ONE set of tests that is made.

Redline has similar language here:

https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/files/tech/NON-SLIP_CVT_PROD_INFO_2021.pdf

Valvoline CVT has similar language here as well under "Recommended for the Following Applications:"

https://sharena21.springcm.com/Publ...2d889bd3/89a43c74-e29c-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3

So why can Blenders make the "Recommended for the Following Applications:" statements?

Because the additive manf. has thoroughly analyzed OEM fluids AND has done testing, such as described in the Amsoil literature, to safely make those claims, tests that are industry standards for North American and Asian transmission manf.

Again, and as I have stated before, Asian transmission manf. DO NOT publish their fluid specifications. So if I, an additive manf. develop a replacement fluid, I have to test it in actual hardware and in a balanced formulation using tests such as the FZG wear test (ASTM D5182) and the JASO LVFA Anti-Shudder Durability Test.

The only thing you will see listed from a blender's Technical Data Sheet (TDS) is the fluid's properties. Fluid properties are not the fluid's specifications.

I don't know how much clearer an explanation I can present.

 

[scrllock]

That’s interesting, I did not know that. Is that why the manufacturers spec all kinds of oils for their cvts? I remember seeing a graph from Subaru that showed all kinds of fluids used here and there, it just seemed cluttered and unnecessary when one or two fluids could do the trick?

The tricky thing with Subaru (in my personal case) is that there's a high torque fluid for later forester and outback XTs and none of the afterrmarket fluids are specifically certified/approved/whatever for the TR690. Amsoil says their fluid is ok for the car, but they have the wrong transmission listed. Motul has a high torque CVTF, but specifically told me it is not intended for my car. So I just pay out the nose for OEM fluid and complain on forums.

 

[MolaKule]

So let's define say, an ATF fluid's SPECIFICATION:

A fluid specification may define the following items (this is not all-inclusive):

1) the necessary (and many) ASTM and industry-defined standard testing to determine friction durability, viscosity retention, dynamic friction coefficient Mu(v), wear of gears and clutches and belts and pulleys,

2) the fluid's viscosity in terms of 40C, 100C, and Brookfield viscosity,

3) pour point, flash point, etc.,

4) rust and corrosion inhibition, metal inhibition, and foam inhibition.

 

[Oodee]

Just got my shipment in! Fast turnaround time! Going to be switching from LM to HPL Supercar for my S8. Already have their euro oil in the wife’s Q7

 

[thetricky]

That is an awesome explanation Molakule, Thank you!

 

[Astro_Guy]

Merry Xmas HPL wife getting a 5gal pail of CK4 5w40 under the Xmas tree for the 21 Ram.

So just to get this straight, your wife is okay with getting motor oil as a Christmas gift? Somehow this reminds me of a weird Al parody of "She Blinded Me with Science" converted to "You Bought Me an Appliance?"

 

[DirectRejection]

So let's define say, an ATF fluid's SPECIFICATION:

A fluid specification may define the following items (this is not all-inclusive):

1) the necessary (and many) ASTM and industry-defined standard testing to determine friction durability, viscosity retention, dynamic friction coefficient Mu(v), wear of gears and clutches and belts and pulleys,

2) the fluid's viscosity in terms of 40C, 100C, and Brookfield viscosity,

3) pour point, flash point, etc.,

4) rust and corrosion inhibition, metal inhibition, and foam inhibition.

I have always been a stickler for only using genuine Toyota fluids at AT/CVT/Transaxle, however...

The decision is in-I am switching to HPL "Teal".

2024 Corolla Cross Hybrid.
Spec is Toyota Genuine e-Transaxle Fluid TE.

On my 2019 Lexus UX 250h it was WS Fluid everwhere, with this same drivetrain.

HPL "Teal" conforms to Big 3 ULV needs. It is a whisker thicker than ULV offerings from Toyota, Eneos (Group III) and Amsoil (Group IV as is HPL).

Type 1b Calcium is used by HPL for copper corrosion resistance.

Knowing High Performance Lubricants impeccable, no compromise approach, it's a total win.

 

[johnachak]

Since 6 quarts = 67.92, 12 quarts if ordered 6x2 = 135.84. So, why order 12 qts. at 148.32? Just curious. Is it a better container or something?