How to find a home inspection co.?

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At last I'm in a place where I may be able to buy a condo. It's a very nice 2 BR in a good area (rare enough around here), laminate wood floors, central a/c, etc. Now I know, as you would do for a used car, I need to have an inspection done by an independent company or person -- not someone recommended by the realtor. One of my coworkers suggested I get a small contractor, and preferably someone who works a lot in the area where the condo is located; he might actually be familiar with those buildings. (My coworker and her husband are both engineers, and did their own inspection -- so they had no names to give me.)

Does her suggestion sound good? How much am I likely to pay for something like this?
 
Originally Posted By: CT8
Call up some real estate agents for a recommendation.
but make sure it's not an agent whose commission depends on you buying.
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This is what I did before my 1-year warranty on my new house expired. A friend is a Real Estate agent and she gave me a recommendation. I used the guy to augment the punch-list that I'd already created on my own.
 
A lot of home inspectors work with many of the realtors in their area. If they want to have continued work come their way they aren't about to step all over their toes. Try to find someone who is independent of those guys. I guess a good question to ask is how many residences they have recommended be turned down...and then actually verify they did that on more than one occasion. Or, came up with such a laundry list that the seller caved in on the price to make a deal. I paid $300 for mine 20 years ago, and it was not money well spent.
 
yes to experienced trades and to InhalingBulets suggestion with off-duty firemen.
some condos CAN have surprises:
mine has no sound proofing, which is why all the original flooring was carpet + builder grade pad.
have you walked the laminate floors all over the apartment? any creacks/squicks?
walk in all the bathrooms, run all sinks and toilets, shower/bathtub? kitchen too?
did you hear the upstairs neigboors?
how is the parking?
how is the HOA? financially sound? well run?
is the AC a special unit from a firm no longer dealing in US?
 
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or you can buy some coffee/donuts for the building engineer....
you can sometime get a reduction in price (find about a deal before everybody does)
 
Real estate broker here. I get this a lot and it's really the exact opposite of what everyone else is recommending. About 2/3s of the time I end up recommending an inspector and I only recommend good ones. I've been at this for over 10 years, have a degree in electrical engineering and own 10+ units. Most of the inspectors I recommend have a contractor's license and are also certified for pest inspections. Never had anyone tell me after the sale that the inspector was bad. The worse inspectors I've run into are the ones that the buyers pick themselves. At least in this state, the inspectors have to be licensed so you just can't pick anyone random person like a fireman. I really wonder if they know their heating systems or know what might be asbestos. The bad ones either miss things or say things are bad when they're not. Had one inspector say the heating system was bad because he couldn't get it started up. I started it up for him and it was fine. It was a foreclosed building so when the heating system is off for a while, you get air in the gas lines and the system won't fire up. All he had to do was fire it up again as it took a while for the gas to actually get to the furnace.

When you get inspectors that realtors won't recommend, they end up saying everything is bad so you end up using them again.

It doesn't really bother me if the buyer picks their own inspector, there's actually less liability and if it's really bad, it's the buyer that picked the inspector.

In general, most of the inspectors are pretty good, there's only a couple that I wouldn't recommend. The real difference is the amount of time that the inspector will spend at the place. Some just blow through the whole place in 45 minutes to an hour. The good ones will take at least an hour to an hour and half even for a small place. Did one not too long ago where it took 5 hours, but it was a big place.
 
Originally Posted By: JC1
Have a look at this website. There is a ton of good information.

http://inspectapedia.com/home_inspection/Home_Inspection.php



Was going to say, can't hurt to read up on it. Even if you don't get much out of it, at the very least you can tell if the inspector you do hire is any good. Plus if you read enough before you start shopping, perhaps you can more easily see issues before moving forward on any given place.
 
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Real estate broker here. I get this a lot and it's really the exact opposite of what everyone else is recommending. About 2/3s of the time I end up recommending an inspector and I only recommend good ones. I've been at this for over 10 years, have a degree in electrical engineering and own 10+ units. Most of the inspectors I recommend have a contractor's license and are also certified for pest inspections. Never had anyone tell me after the sale that the inspector was bad. The worse inspectors I've run into are the ones that the buyers pick themselves. At least in this state, the inspectors have to be licensed so you just can't pick anyone random person like a fireman. I really wonder if they know their heating systems or know what might be asbestos. The bad ones either miss things or say things are bad when they're not. Had one inspector say the heating system was bad because he couldn't get it started up. I started it up for him and it was fine. It was a foreclosed building so when the heating system is off for a while, you get air in the gas lines and the system won't fire up. All he had to do was fire it up again as it took a while for the gas to actually get to the furnace.

When you get inspectors that realtors won't recommend, they end up saying everything is bad so you end up using them again.

It doesn't really bother me if the buyer picks their own inspector, there's actually less liability and if it's really bad, it's the buyer that picked the inspector.

In general, most of the inspectors are pretty good, there's only a couple that I wouldn't recommend. The real difference is the amount of time that the inspector will spend at the place. Some just blow through the whole place in 45 minutes to an hour. The good ones will take at least an hour to an hour and half even for a small place. Did one not too long ago where it took 5 hours, but it was a big place.

Wolf,

Thanks for the input. So going with someone my agent recommends isn't necessarily a bad thing, then? I was going on analogy to "You don't want a pre-purchase inspection done by the used-car dealer you're buying the car from." I didn't want to hunt up someone nobody would recommend -- I just was thinking, avoid going with the inspector recommended by the guy whose commission depends on the report.

If I check the Yellow Pages (yes, I'm Old School) and look for licensed contractors, then find my agent has recommended one of them, it's not necessarily a problem, then?
 
Originally Posted By: CT8
Call up some real estate agents for a recommendation.

^^^^^This^^^^ except have them give you several recommendations, and don't tell the Realtor the one you chose...until the inspection is completed and the report is submitted.

Fred
Retired Realtor
 
Originally Posted By: pandus13
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have you walked the laminate floors all over the apartment? any creacks/squicks?
walk in all the bathrooms, run all sinks and toilets, shower/bathtub? kitchen too?
did you hear the upstairs neigboors?
how is the parking?
how is the HOA? financially sound? well run?
is the AC a special unit from a firm no longer dealing in US?

No, no creaks, and this unit is the upstairs one, with vaulted ceilings; it seemed quiet, as did the entire development. No visible leaks or stains. I'll have two parking spaces down below (though the car will be in the hot sun a good part of the day -- there's not much shade). The HOA, that's a good question; the association has been around for quite a few years, this is not a brand-new condo development.

The A/C is what concerns me. Along with running water and a good roof, you've got to have cooled air around here. I need another visit to the unit, I guess. And I thought I'd drive over, walk around, see if I can talk to people who live there. That'll give me some idea of what my neighbors would be like.
 
Originally Posted By: Benzadmiral
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Real estate broker here. I get this a lot and it's really the exact opposite of what everyone else is recommending. About 2/3s of the time I end up recommending an inspector and I only recommend good ones. I've been at this for over 10 years, have a degree in electrical engineering and own 10+ units. Most of the inspectors I recommend have a contractor's license and are also certified for pest inspections. Never had anyone tell me after the sale that the inspector was bad. The worse inspectors I've run into are the ones that the buyers pick themselves. At least in this state, the inspectors have to be licensed so you just can't pick anyone random person like a fireman. I really wonder if they know their heating systems or know what might be asbestos. The bad ones either miss things or say things are bad when they're not. Had one inspector say the heating system was bad because he couldn't get it started up. I started it up for him and it was fine. It was a foreclosed building so when the heating system is off for a while, you get air in the gas lines and the system won't fire up. All he had to do was fire it up again as it took a while for the gas to actually get to the furnace.

When you get inspectors that realtors won't recommend, they end up saying everything is bad so you end up using them again.

It doesn't really bother me if the buyer picks their own inspector, there's actually less liability and if it's really bad, it's the buyer that picked the inspector.

In general, most of the inspectors are pretty good, there's only a couple that I wouldn't recommend. The real difference is the amount of time that the inspector will spend at the place. Some just blow through the whole place in 45 minutes to an hour. The good ones will take at least an hour to an hour and half even for a small place. Did one not too long ago where it took 5 hours, but it was a big place.

Wolf,

Thanks for the input. So going with someone my agent recommends isn't necessarily a bad thing, then? I was going on analogy to "You don't want a pre-purchase inspection done by the used-car dealer you're buying the car from." I didn't want to hunt up someone nobody would recommend -- I just was thinking, avoid going with the inspector recommended by the guy whose commission depends on the report.

If I check the Yellow Pages (yes, I'm Old School) and look for licensed contractors, then find my agent has recommended one of them, it's not necessarily a problem, then?


I usually recommend a couple, that way the buyer still ends up picking one. Same thing, less liability. You could actually interview the inspector to see how good they are. Like how long they've been doing it and what experience they have in the trades. Like I said, the ones I recommend had a contractor's license so they do know construction. You don't need a contractor's license in order to get a home inspector's license. What ends up happening there is that the inspector just doesn't know and just says that he recommends further inspection. So you might wasting more time and energy on getting a 2nd opinion because your inspector isn't sure due to lack of experience. Sometimes it basically boils down to cost, my really good inspector isn't cheap. If you get the cheap one, he still does it by the book, but blows through it or doesn't give much detail. Had one cheap inspector completely miss a second cooling system, one was in the attic and the second was in the basement, buyer called him and he came back. I didn't recommend the guy so I could laugh a little.
 
I am very happy with the inspector we found using Angie's List. He had great reviews and did a fantastic job inspecting the property we were considering buying.

Also very surprised at how cheap an Angie's List subscription was for a year. We have used it many times and been very pleased with the quality of contractors we've found through their service - we've saved quite a lot more than the membership fee just in the past 6 months.
 
I would advise against saving money on the inspection portion of things. Make sure their inspection gives you the complete details of the condo. Some provide a binder including pictures, being a very detailed inspection. I think the only benefit the realtor gets is likely a small cut of the inspection itself. I dont think the realtor will have the inspector ok it, if its not good. Ask your realtor for a sample inspection. My inspection included some very loosely written items on paper. I regret not going with my realtor's suggestion for an inspector. If you can find someone who can provide a sample of what they give you, I would go with that. (I am not trying to say the best option is going with who the realtor recommends, as im sure many others are also good. A general contractor typically focuses on renovations and not inspections, so they may not provide a comprehensive report include photographs and tons of details.
 
Everyone always seems to think that realtors get kickbacks. But kickbacks are illegal and we don't get anything from home inspectors, the most pull I have is maybe they'll discount the price by $25, but that's about it. We used to get Christmas gifts once in a while, maybe cookies or something like that. Haven't even gotten those lately.

As for Angies list, that's where one of my buyers got a lousy inspector. He had one complaint about him not giving a good review of the electrical system. So when my buyer used him, he said all the electrical was bad. Then the buyer got in some electricians and they said it was fine. That's when he really realized that the inspector was bad, but the report he got was also one of the worse, not really a template and just some typewritten running commentary in word. An inspection isn't really any good if he just tells you to replace everything. A good inspector will be able to tell you if it's a major problem or a minor one. There are always some minor problems that come up with any inspection.

Also as a Realtor, the commission doesn't necessarily depend on the report. If you use a good inspector and you find problems with the place, you just use those items to renegotiate the price. Happens all the time. If the buyer walks, they usually stay loyal because you found them a good inspector and they'll buy a different house from you. To me, there's really no incentive to use a bad inspector and if you're interested in future business, we would only recommend good ones.
 
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Everyone always seems to think that realtors get kickbacks. But kickbacks are illegal and we don't get anything from home inspectors, the most pull I have is maybe they'll discount the price by $25, but that's about it. We used to get Christmas gifts once in a while, maybe cookies or something like that. Haven't even gotten those lately.

As for Angies list, that's where one of my buyers got a lousy inspector. He had one complaint about him not giving a good review of the electrical system. So when my buyer used him, he said all the electrical was bad. Then the buyer got in some electricians and they said it was fine. That's when he really realized that the inspector was bad, but the report he got was also one of the worse, not really a template and just some typewritten running commentary in word. An inspection isn't really any good if he just tells you to replace everything. A good inspector will be able to tell you if it's a major problem or a minor one. There are always some minor problems that come up with any inspection.

Also as a Realtor, the commission doesn't necessarily depend on the report. If you use a good inspector and you find problems with the place, you just use those items to renegotiate the price. Happens all the time. If the buyer walks, they usually stay loyal because you found them a good inspector and they'll buy a different house from you. To me, there's really no incentive to use a bad inspector and if you're interested in future business, we would only recommend good ones.


All good points. also please have my respects: not many good honest realtors these days...
for the OP/benzadmiral:
a good inspector is worth his weight in gold, but they do not have x-ray vision; when it's bad, i think most of them just refund your inspection fee.
suplementing information with good trades or the building engineer (usually they moonlight) could make you more aware of problems, possible problems, future problems or just small details...
the worst in HOA is increasing expenses/monthly fee (deferred maintenance for years) or special assesments (to cover XXX must do repair)

also OP, what about your cats, does HOA approves small pets?
 
Originally Posted By: Benzadmiral
No, no creaks, and this unit is the upstairs one, with vaulted ceilings; it seemed quiet, as did the entire development. No visible leaks or stains. I'll have two parking spaces down below (though the car will be in the hot sun a good part of the day -- there's not much shade). The HOA, that's a good question; the association has been around for quite a few years, this is not a brand-new condo development.

The A/C is what concerns me. Along with running water and a good roof, you've got to have cooled air around here. I need another visit to the unit, I guess. And I thought I'd drive over, walk around, see if I can talk to people who live there. That'll give me some idea of what my neighbors would be like.

beside meeting some possible neighbors, i still stand by my suggestion to have some small talk with building engineer or maintenance personnel.

a talk with management office person, can sometime make you aware of future plans (or past troubles).
also, talk with your realtor if it is customary in your state to get the minutes from the HOA board meetings (usually for past 6 months).
 
At least in WI, and I would assume pretty much everywhere as well, home inspectors much have E&O insurance. It covers their butt if they miss something. If something gets missed and ends up costing you 10s of thousands of $$, they are liable.

A good inspector will almost always find something wrong, almost no house is perfect. It's thier job to make sure you don't get ripped off, that's why you pay them. It's up to you to decide what the fix is worth. IMO, most things aren't a big deal. We bought a house that the electric service box wasn't up to snuff. We made the sellers fix it. This was after we agreed on a price. If they wouldn't have fixed it, we would have withdrew our bid.

You do your homework on buying a house right? Do your homework on getting an inspector. Call around, tell them you want to see a few of their reports. Maybe one from a year ago, and one from last week. Talk to them in person and see if they are detail oriented, or if they just tell you what you wanna hear.

$300-$500 for a good inspection for a house that costs many many times that is a no brainer.

Btw, a fireman or a contractor might know a lot of stuff, but what happens if they miss something? You gonna sue them? Good luck with that, you'll never see a penny and still be stuck with the repair bill.
 
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