How thin is too thin for adequate MT protection ?

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I realise there are way too many variables involved, including clearances, oil type, etc, but my question is relating to a situation where I feel that the specified viscosity is becoming too thin on +35*C days.
The shift quality is deteriorating at higher temperatures, becoming slower, where you can feel the synchro clutch and hub ride over each other and the dogs engage, which I don't get at lower ambients.

Can this be an indication that I'm also losing gear and bearing protection ?

The lube in question is Redline MTL (10.2cSt @ 100*C, VI 171) in a pressure lubricated Land Rover R380 gear box.
The factory fill is Texaco MTF 94 (10.5cSt @ 100*C, VI 190). Prior to using MTL, I used Castrol Syntrans (PAO/ester, 11.9 cSt @ 100*C, VI 183) This is a Euro Castrol, designed for extended drain, heavy vehicle transmissions in Europe (MAN, Volvo and MB. They use synchro boxes exclusively)
I had the same 'problem' with the Syntrans.

All these gear oils appear to be biased towards cold temperature performance, which I don't need. The lowest it has ever been in winter here is -7*C, and the shifting is flawless, but we are in the middle of summer now, and even though I don't live in a hot area, it has been over 40*C about 5 days already.

I'm going to mix some MT90/MTL 50/50, but am reluctant to go any heavier as the gear box does have an internal pump that supplies all the bearings through internal drillings.
I'm currently logging 'box/oil temperatures on a transfer pipe, with the highest reading so far being 65*C on a 32* day after 30km. I have to do a 320km trip tomorrow, (to get some more Redline
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) so I can see how the temps evolve on some windy slow roads.

Any thoughts, Ladies and Gentlemen ?
Or am I worrying over nothing ?
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Rick.
 
Changing/flushing your transmission fluid is a good idea.
The 50/50 mix you contemplate should be an improvement. It's not a drastic viscosity change, just a little thicker.
 
As per another thread:

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As I have stated before, there are three major considerations for MTF's:

1. Visocosity
2. AW/EP additives
3. Friction modifiers.

You have to have 1. and 3. for smooth gear transitions and synchro engagement, and 2. for longevity. I.E., all considerations have to be in play.



In your case, a 75% MTL and 25% MT90 might be your best best. You have to also realize, the friction modification is slightly different between the two oils, not just the viscosity.

You might consider our SynchroGlide for your application. It is a 9.0 cSt but has the protection of a 10 to 11 cSt fluid.
 
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