How much can YOU over react?

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Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Just heard one of those "zero tolerance" stories on the radio this morning. Kid brings a bag of weed to school and openly shows it to his teacher stating that he took it from his dad's truck to keep him from smoking it. The kid is immediately suspended and expulsion is being discussed.

http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/02/27/Kid-b.../9061362001961/

I'm sure there is details that are being left out of this story. But if not that is horrible. The child was reaching out to an adult authority figure for help and got punished. Then we wonder why so many people grow up not trusting the government or police officers.
 
^Yeah, I also thought that perhaps information was left out of the story, but on the surface it does sound awful. If the kid swiped the weed to keep it from his dad there must be some nasty dynamic in that family. That particular drug doesn't usually cause people to become belligerent or abusive like the more common family wrecker (alcohol).
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
"0dds are this kid couldn't get in to the Marine Corps."??!!

His amicable desire is evident.
You falsely assume he is substandard.
You prove by your words that your thinking is substandard.


Desire is one thing, statistics are another. As the USMC draws down from 210,000 (current end strength) to 180,000, they are turning away a lot of applicants, simply, the USMC is very, very selective right now...they don't have very many openings, so they don't have to take just anybody. Sorry, but the odds are he can't get in, since the overwhelming majority of high school students right now can't.

Look, you see this situation as school over-reaction. I see this situation as a kid with a lot to learn.

And on that, we disagree. I haven't laid out my complete military cred, but as a result of my time in uniform, my experiences in a leadership role, my professional perspective, I see this differently than you, and hope that you (and the rest of BITOG) will be able to respect my opinion.

I support kids in general, not just my own. On invitation, I've given over a dozen talks at schools: on the meaning of Memorial Day, on what it takes to succeed in life, and on hope; that there is always a way if you're willing to work hard (without being a recruiter for the Navy, I am not, but the focus and discipline that it takes to succeed in my line of work leads to success in others careers and I used my daughter as an example for one group of at-risk kids at a local Middle School. Those kids don't think that they will be able to go to College...but I know that they are able, that's why they're in this particular program. Further, Virginia has some great low-cost options, and great in state schools...depending on how well you do, there are scholarships for kids that need the help, either as a result of personal or financial circumstances...my cred in this area: I am a fighter pilot with combat experience, my daughter goes to Yale on a scholarship).

So, I'll offer you this: if this kid really wants to show his support for the USMC (and I've already said that I support kids and I love the USMC), and you want him to be able to show his support, then PM me his address. You do the leg work and find it out since it's your neck of the woods. I will stop by the Exchange today and pick up a genuine USMC T-Shirt, one that will be unique in his school because it is real...and one to which the administrators can't object...if you could get me his size, that would help too.

He gets to show his support, I show him that other people are supporting him, as well as help him learn how to manage this difficult situation, and you get to push back against what you perceive the problem to be...sound good?

Let me know.

Cheers,
Astro


What does being in the military have to do with your unwarranted disparaging attacks on a kid?
You imagination is not fact.
You play being in the military as a version of the 'race card'.
But it does not in any way validate you.

You seem more suited to reading a crystal ball in a carnival.
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14


FWIW, I was once a Scout...my son was a Scout...my stepson was a Scout...the organization is not as popular now as it was in the 70s, when I was a kid...and we've lost something, I think...


Yeah, my son has already expressed that he may not want to pursue Webelos 1.

I was a scout in the '70s. I couldn't imagine just quitting after Bear. No. I wanted to be an Eagle Scout when I was 8. Driver's license motorcycles and girls all conspired against my scouting career but I still have fond memories of all we did our community, for God and for country. Kids seem to grow up a lot faster today. Even if he doesn't go on to Weeb 1 or 2 or Tenderfoot, he still learned a lot.
 
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
"0dds are this kid couldn't get in to the Marine Corps."??!!

His amicable desire is evident.
You falsely assume he is substandard.
You prove by your words that your thinking is substandard.


Desire is one thing, statistics are another. As the USMC draws down from 210,000 (current end strength) to 180,000, they are turning away a lot of applicants, simply, the USMC is very, very selective right now...they don't have very many openings, so they don't have to take just anybody. Sorry, but the odds are he can't get in, since the overwhelming majority of high school students right now can't.

Look, you see this situation as school over-reaction. I see this situation as a kid with a lot to learn.

And on that, we disagree. I haven't laid out my complete military cred, but as a result of my time in uniform, my experiences in a leadership role, my professional perspective, I see this differently than you, and hope that you (and the rest of BITOG) will be able to respect my opinion.

I support kids in general, not just my own. On invitation, I've given over a dozen talks at schools: on the meaning of Memorial Day, on what it takes to succeed in life, and on hope; that there is always a way if you're willing to work hard (without being a recruiter for the Navy, I am not, but the focus and discipline that it takes to succeed in my line of work leads to success in others careers and I used my daughter as an example for one group of at-risk kids at a local Middle School. Those kids don't think that they will be able to go to College...but I know that they are able, that's why they're in this particular program. Further, Virginia has some great low-cost options, and great in state schools...depending on how well you do, there are scholarships for kids that need the help, either as a result of personal or financial circumstances...my cred in this area: I am a fighter pilot with combat experience, my daughter goes to Yale on a scholarship).

So, I'll offer you this: if this kid really wants to show his support for the USMC (and I've already said that I support kids and I love the USMC), and you want him to be able to show his support, then PM me his address. You do the leg work and find it out since it's your neck of the woods. I will stop by the Exchange today and pick up a genuine USMC T-Shirt, one that will be unique in his school because it is real...and one to which the administrators can't object...if you could get me his size, that would help too.

He gets to show his support, I show him that other people are supporting him, as well as help him learn how to manage this difficult situation, and you get to push back against what you perceive the problem to be...sound good?

Let me know.

Cheers,
Astro


What does being in the military have to do with your unwarranted disparaging attacks on a kid?
You imagination is not fact.
You play being in the military as a version of the 'race card'.
But it does not in any way validate you.

You seem more suited to reading a crystal ball in a carnival.


I am sorry that you're unable to distinguish the difference between facts and "disparaging attacks"...but my position in the military means that I know what recruiting looks like now, and what it will look like in the near future...it's important to note that you've ignored the rest of my post, and continued to attack me personally.

There are two kinds of people in this world; those who do nothing but sit and complain, and those who take action. Posting on BITOG is not taking action, it's just complaining...

My offer still stands...I am curious which kind of person you are...
 
My wife says there's a "no tolerance" policy right now across the board in schools. She doesn't enforce it and doesn't agree with it, but she shrugged her shoulders and said she's not surprised and there's nothing we can really do about it.
 
I am not a fan of zero tolerance policies...in general...they take away the ability of those in authority to apply discretion and judgment to a situation.

Interesting, though, that in this case, the boy's father is a founder/coordinator (alternatively described in various articles) of the DeKalb County Tea Party...and frequently is quoted in the press...

He sure got a lot of attention through his son's experience...
 
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