I am having a problem with my bulk oil dealer and may be stopping delivery, super tech is around the same price but i have to go to walmart what is every ones opinion on supertech 5w20 and 5w30 to be used in newly rebuilt engines that we warranty? not really sure who makes it here in north jersey, any ideas?
How is Supertech Engine Oil ? May Be Stopping Bulk
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Assuming price is correlated to quality at least to a reasonable extent, why would you want to give out the lowest quality oil you can squeak by? I don't think that PQIA has issued any warnings, and it surely does indeed meet the API and ILSAC requirements, but it seems like pyb would be a more solid (though expensive) choice. I'm running st in a car that is losing oil, but it doesn't go into anything with a solid engine.
I'm sure it will work fine, question is if your customer base would accept the price delta from running something better, and if you can sell it as value added.
I'm sure it will work fine, question is if your customer base would accept the price delta from running something better, and if you can sell it as value added.
House brand oil is not bad, as long as it meet API spec and has API symbol on the bottle. But for few dollars more I think your customers will be happier if you use national name brands such as Mobil, Pennzoil, Valvoline ...
I wouldn't call ST the lowest quality oil one can squeak by with, but if I were servicing newer type engines, ST may or may not be the choice. I'm not exactly sure what ST meets in the U.S. beyond SN/GF-5, but my concerns would be to stock something that meets the basic conventional type Ford, Chrysler, and GM specifications. Then, I'd want something dexos1 licensed if I were servicing newer GM vehicles.
Are there other bulk oil dealers in your area? Alternatively, if you're willing to pick up from Walmart, why not pick up from your current dealer?
Are there other bulk oil dealers in your area? Alternatively, if you're willing to pick up from Walmart, why not pick up from your current dealer?
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Would be fine but I'd grab some QSAD of the shelf for a few bucks more....
I agree with you and JHZR2. If push came to shove I'd add another $5 to $10 to the cost of an engine rebuild and use another oil. Nothing against ST oil, but if you want your customers to think you do top quality work I'd use a better oil, to keep them thinking that way.
Just to keep it clear I am in no way saying you don't do top quality work it is more from a feel good psychological way of looking at it. Then reinforcing it and mentioning it to the customer. JMO
Would be fine but I'd grab some QSAD of the shelf for a few bucks more....
I agree with you and JHZR2. If push came to shove I'd add another $5 to $10 to the cost of an engine rebuild and use another oil. Nothing against ST oil, but if you want your customers to think you do top quality work I'd use a better oil, to keep them thinking that way.
Just to keep it clear I am in no way saying you don't do top quality work it is more from a feel good psychological way of looking at it. Then reinforcing it and mentioning it to the customer. JMO
If I were a customer and walked into your shop and saw a whole stack of Walmart branded oil, I would really think twice about the quality of workmanship in your shop. Even though it meets specs, it would turn a lot of people off.
Edit, Demarpaint. I didn't read your post but We said almost the same thing.
Edit, Demarpaint. I didn't read your post but We said almost the same thing.
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Supertech is very good oil. Blended by Warren Distribution.
If your bulk oil is about the same price as Supertech, you are overpaying. We get Gulfpride AFE 5w30 Semi-Synthetic for $7.19/gallon ($1.80/qt) from Polsinello Fuels, based out of Rensselaer, NY. They offer the full line of Gulf lubricants as well as SOPUS products.
I would imagine you have a number of bulk suppliers in your area. Shop around. If you can find a Gulf distributor, it is very good oil. Most is blended by American Refining Group in Bradford, PA.
If your bulk oil is about the same price as Supertech, you are overpaying. We get Gulfpride AFE 5w30 Semi-Synthetic for $7.19/gallon ($1.80/qt) from Polsinello Fuels, based out of Rensselaer, NY. They offer the full line of Gulf lubricants as well as SOPUS products.
I would imagine you have a number of bulk suppliers in your area. Shop around. If you can find a Gulf distributor, it is very good oil. Most is blended by American Refining Group in Bradford, PA.
You should have a number of oil distributor choices in Jersey, so you might try calling another if your current supplier is giving you problems.
From everything I've read here, there's nothing wrong with ST oil and it would be a good choice.
If I saw it in your shop, I'd figure you were pretty savvy, but that's just me.
The average customer might not find a stack of Super Tech bottles quite so charming.
From everything I've read here, there's nothing wrong with ST oil and it would be a good choice.
If I saw it in your shop, I'd figure you were pretty savvy, but that's just me.
The average customer might not find a stack of Super Tech bottles quite so charming.
Crazy,
what was your bulk oil?
what was your bulk oil?
Originally Posted By: BobsArmory
If I were a customer and walked into your shop and saw a whole stack of Walmart branded oil, I would really think twice about the quality of workmanship in your shop. Even though it meets specs, it would turn a lot of people off.
Edit, Demarpaint. I didn't read your post but We said almost the same thing.
Pretty much!
If I were a customer and walked into your shop and saw a whole stack of Walmart branded oil, I would really think twice about the quality of workmanship in your shop. Even though it meets specs, it would turn a lot of people off.
Edit, Demarpaint. I didn't read your post but We said almost the same thing.
Pretty much!
Using ST oil in your personal vehicles is one thing. But it is not very professional to use at your shop and maintain a solid reputation for using quality products. Customers like to see brands they know and are well proven. Why not use a house brand oil like Chevron Supreme, Phillips 66 Trop Artic, or Formula Shell? They are are great oils that can be less expensive than a PYB or VWB and they are still names customers would recognize.
Originally Posted By: Texican
Customers like to see brands they know and are well proven.
So by this logic he should also put orange Frams on all his engines
ST is a good oil, proven by UOA to last up too 100,000 miles by another member here (in a chrystler even).
I run it exclusively in my Max and am now at 298xxx miles. The price difference is only due to the lack of advertizing and brand name building.
Customers like to see brands they know and are well proven.
So by this logic he should also put orange Frams on all his engines
ST is a good oil, proven by UOA to last up too 100,000 miles by another member here (in a chrystler even).
I run it exclusively in my Max and am now at 298xxx miles. The price difference is only due to the lack of advertizing and brand name building.
Originally Posted By: asand1
Originally Posted By: Texican
Customers like to see brands they know and are well proven.
So by this logic he should also put orange Frams on all his engines
ST is a good oil, proven by UOA to last up too 100,000 miles by another member here (in a chrystler even).
I run it exclusively in my Max and am now at 298xxx miles. The price difference is only due to the lack of advertizing and brand name building.
I know it's good oil as does everyone else on this forum, but your average customer does not. All they see is a walmart oil and they think it is low quality.
Originally Posted By: Texican
Customers like to see brands they know and are well proven.
So by this logic he should also put orange Frams on all his engines
ST is a good oil, proven by UOA to last up too 100,000 miles by another member here (in a chrystler even).
I run it exclusively in my Max and am now at 298xxx miles. The price difference is only due to the lack of advertizing and brand name building.
I know it's good oil as does everyone else on this forum, but your average customer does not. All they see is a walmart oil and they think it is low quality.
ST is a good oil, but a lot of folks have prejudices against both Walmart and store brands. It can be perfectly fine but do not expect consumers to be reasonable.
Normally Havoline is about $0.30-0.50 more, just grab whichever name "brand" is cheapest and go from there. Otherwise, work out another deal with the distributor or increase the price of your service.
Normally Havoline is about $0.30-0.50 more, just grab whichever name "brand" is cheapest and go from there. Otherwise, work out another deal with the distributor or increase the price of your service.
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
I am having a problem with my bulk oil dealer and may be stopping delivery, super tech is around the same price but i have to go to walmart what is every ones opinion on supertech 5w20 and 5w30 to be used in newly rebuilt engines that we warranty? not really sure who makes it here in north jersey, any ideas?
Get yourself a Costco membership (I heard they were around 40.00??), and load up on Chevron or whatever brand they carry near you. Usually, around 2.00/Qt, and you can re-assure your clients that you are using a recognizable brand.
That being said, ST at 5k intervals, will meet most needs unless you need the Dexos or other certs. Really, it is nothing more than customer perception, given the API SN rating.
I am having a problem with my bulk oil dealer and may be stopping delivery, super tech is around the same price but i have to go to walmart what is every ones opinion on supertech 5w20 and 5w30 to be used in newly rebuilt engines that we warranty? not really sure who makes it here in north jersey, any ideas?
Get yourself a Costco membership (I heard they were around 40.00??), and load up on Chevron or whatever brand they carry near you. Usually, around 2.00/Qt, and you can re-assure your clients that you are using a recognizable brand.
That being said, ST at 5k intervals, will meet most needs unless you need the Dexos or other certs. Really, it is nothing more than customer perception, given the API SN rating.
Originally Posted By: Garak
I wouldn't call ST the lowest quality oil one can squeak by with, but if I were servicing newer type engines, ST may or may not be the choice. I'm not exactly sure what ST meets in the U.S. beyond SN/GF-5, but my concerns would be to stock something that meets the basic conventional type Ford, Chrysler, and GM specifications. Then, I'd want something dexos1 licensed if I were servicing newer GM vehicles.
Are there other bulk oil dealers in your area? Alternatively, if you're willing to pick up from Walmart, why not pick up from your current dealer?
I agree but would go further than that. Dexos is a good spec (not just a license) and would rather put that in any engine that requires available Dexos approved viscosities over something like ST that is only an SN oil with no other approvals.
Some say it meets the spec but they cant prove it, if its not on the label it doesn't as far as i am concerned.
The difference in SN and Dexos..
I wouldn't call ST the lowest quality oil one can squeak by with, but if I were servicing newer type engines, ST may or may not be the choice. I'm not exactly sure what ST meets in the U.S. beyond SN/GF-5, but my concerns would be to stock something that meets the basic conventional type Ford, Chrysler, and GM specifications. Then, I'd want something dexos1 licensed if I were servicing newer GM vehicles.
Are there other bulk oil dealers in your area? Alternatively, if you're willing to pick up from Walmart, why not pick up from your current dealer?
I agree but would go further than that. Dexos is a good spec (not just a license) and would rather put that in any engine that requires available Dexos approved viscosities over something like ST that is only an SN oil with no other approvals.
Some say it meets the spec but they cant prove it, if its not on the label it doesn't as far as i am concerned.
The difference in SN and Dexos..
Trav's posts are on the anti-walmart/ST crusade... again. Prime example of the customer that would freak out seeing STot bottle in the shop. No matter how good a oil is, he is the type that will froth at the mouth over it.
Dexos is a license. Pay money to GM with a decent product, and get the sticker. Not saying that Dexos approved oils are bad, it is just a sticker game for GM to get more.
+1 to trying the Costco route.
Dexos is a license. Pay money to GM with a decent product, and get the sticker. Not saying that Dexos approved oils are bad, it is just a sticker game for GM to get more.
+1 to trying the Costco route.
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
House brand oil is not bad, as long as it meet API spec and has API symbol on the bottle. But for few dollars more I think your customers will be happier if you use national name brands such as Mobil, Pennzoil, Valvoline ...
+1. Use a name brand oil, or a brand from one of the major oil companies (Shell,Conoco,etc.) Even though I know that Supertech is decent, I would have a major problem with Wal-Mart branded oil being put in my car from a repair facility.
Better yet, why not find a new bulk supplier?
House brand oil is not bad, as long as it meet API spec and has API symbol on the bottle. But for few dollars more I think your customers will be happier if you use national name brands such as Mobil, Pennzoil, Valvoline ...
+1. Use a name brand oil, or a brand from one of the major oil companies (Shell,Conoco,etc.) Even though I know that Supertech is decent, I would have a major problem with Wal-Mart branded oil being put in my car from a repair facility.
Better yet, why not find a new bulk supplier?
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
ST is a good oil, but a lot of folks have prejudices against both Walmart and store brands. It can be perfectly fine but do not expect consumers to be reasonable.
I'd make a wager that many if not most people out there have no idea Super Tech is a house brand let alone a WalMart brand.
ST is a good oil, but a lot of folks have prejudices against both Walmart and store brands. It can be perfectly fine but do not expect consumers to be reasonable.
I'd make a wager that many if not most people out there have no idea Super Tech is a house brand let alone a WalMart brand.
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