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how do you change oil in a bimmer?
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Originally Posted By: Carmudgeon
Loosening the filter cap (or bolt) releases the oil inside the filter canister back into the engine, and eventually the sump.
Logically, doing so first gives that small bit of oil time to make its way to the sump, while one is in the process of preparing the car for a bottom drain, or a top extraction.
Well, as mentioned, I havent seen such a phenomena in my 83, 85 or 96 MB diesel, 91 BMW or 04 saab, all of which have top-mounted cannister filters.
It seems to me that it just cant be very much.
Every vehicle is different, though.
And yes, our cannister o-rings (all of them, including the really small ones) are renewed every time...
JMH
Loosening the filter cap (or bolt) releases the oil inside the filter canister back into the engine, and eventually the sump.
Logically, doing so first gives that small bit of oil time to make its way to the sump, while one is in the process of preparing the car for a bottom drain, or a top extraction.
Well, as mentioned, I havent seen such a phenomena in my 83, 85 or 96 MB diesel, 91 BMW or 04 saab, all of which have top-mounted cannister filters.
It seems to me that it just cant be very much.
Every vehicle is different, though.
And yes, our cannister o-rings (all of them, including the really small ones) are renewed every time...
JMH
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Well, as mentioned, I havent seen such a phenomena in my 83, 85 or 96 MB diesel, 91 BMW or 04 saab, all of which have top-mounted cannister filters.
I can't speak for the MB or Saab implementations, but on BMW engines, the oil held in the filter canister under normal circumstances is released by removing the cap.
If you have any doubt, open up the TIS, and check the oil change procedures. They all begin with replacing the filter, and note that the oil flows out of the canister and into the pan.
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It seems to me that it just cant be very much.
It may not be, but this is BITOG -- haven for OCD-afflicted lubrication enthusiasts, is it not?
If there was an Official BITOG guideline for drain length, I'm sure it would take into account:
1) a minimum of x baseline hours
2) ambient temperature
3) oil temperature at time of drain
4) original viscosity and base stock of oil used
4a) expected viscosity of drain oil after prescribed OCI, verified by no less than 5 used oil analysis
5) orientation of the drain plug
6) pitch and roll angle of the vehicle during drain
7) a drip per period figure not to fall below a prescribed threshold
8) phase of the moon
If I've left anything out, I'm sure someone will speak up.
Well, as mentioned, I havent seen such a phenomena in my 83, 85 or 96 MB diesel, 91 BMW or 04 saab, all of which have top-mounted cannister filters.
I can't speak for the MB or Saab implementations, but on BMW engines, the oil held in the filter canister under normal circumstances is released by removing the cap.
If you have any doubt, open up the TIS, and check the oil change procedures. They all begin with replacing the filter, and note that the oil flows out of the canister and into the pan.
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It seems to me that it just cant be very much.
It may not be, but this is BITOG -- haven for OCD-afflicted lubrication enthusiasts, is it not?
If there was an Official BITOG guideline for drain length, I'm sure it would take into account:
1) a minimum of x baseline hours
2) ambient temperature
3) oil temperature at time of drain
4) original viscosity and base stock of oil used
4a) expected viscosity of drain oil after prescribed OCI, verified by no less than 5 used oil analysis
5) orientation of the drain plug
6) pitch and roll angle of the vehicle during drain
7) a drip per period figure not to fall below a prescribed threshold
8) phase of the moon
If I've left anything out, I'm sure someone will speak up.
Originally Posted By: Carmudgeon
I can't speak for the MB or Saab implementations, but on BMW engines, the oil held in the filter canister under normal circumstances is released by removing the cap.
If you have any doubt, open up the TIS, and check the oil change procedures. They all begin with replacing the filter, and note that the oil flows out of the canister and into the pan.
Yup. I can confirm that. And the one time that I let the shop do the oil change, they did it in reverse (drained oil first and put the plug back in and then replaced the filter), they were only able to put in 6 and 1/3rd quarts of fresh oil. When I do it the proper way, I put in 7 quarts. May not be too big of a deal in the grand scheme of things, but like you said, this is BITOG and we're anal about oil.
I can't speak for the MB or Saab implementations, but on BMW engines, the oil held in the filter canister under normal circumstances is released by removing the cap.
If you have any doubt, open up the TIS, and check the oil change procedures. They all begin with replacing the filter, and note that the oil flows out of the canister and into the pan.
Yup. I can confirm that. And the one time that I let the shop do the oil change, they did it in reverse (drained oil first and put the plug back in and then replaced the filter), they were only able to put in 6 and 1/3rd quarts of fresh oil. When I do it the proper way, I put in 7 quarts. May not be too big of a deal in the grand scheme of things, but like you said, this is BITOG and we're anal about oil.
One extremely minor point that I'd like to have clarified for my edification... on a beemer, bimmer, or what have you... if the engine has no dipstick is there any other procedure to check the level of the oil, other than to "fill it with X amount of oil" and then hope it's good to go until the next oil change?
Ok, hope all the experts who want to correct are sitting down. Firstly, it's TOTALLY absurd to think we have 2 pronunciations of products from the same company. That's just plain dumb. Assuming that we want to "get it right" we need to look at the term in it's original form. I know I like to use the most correct and original term possible. Like I said, It's "Beemer", from Post WWII England refering to the SINGLE BMW product offered, motorcycles. B-M-er, simple, can we agree on that, it's well-documented. Now, try saying it with your jibblets in a vice, New-England prep style. Ok, so we have the ~American~ version where NE snobs try to refer to their luxury cars.
Ok, show me where is the great divide between motorcycles and cars...well, I just did.
So, hang-on correctors of the corrector. Have you access to BBC? Spend a lot of time in England? I do. Notably, a very recent episode of Peep Show, Mark and Jeremy ~correctly~ refer to their boss's BEEMER, a 5-Series (not a motorcycle). This a 2006 show from England, where the term originated. Are the writers from BBC wrong? Should you send-off an email correcting them? The term started and remains "Beamer" (ee or ea not withstanding). If someone wants to use the wrong term, the bastardized version which draws attention to their ignorance...polite company will ignore them, I won't because they perpetuate a missuse of the term. BitOG readers deserve a shot at getting it right. "Bimmer" it sounds pretty stupid now, does it not?
Ok, show me where is the great divide between motorcycles and cars...well, I just did.
So, hang-on correctors of the corrector. Have you access to BBC? Spend a lot of time in England? I do. Notably, a very recent episode of Peep Show, Mark and Jeremy ~correctly~ refer to their boss's BEEMER, a 5-Series (not a motorcycle). This a 2006 show from England, where the term originated. Are the writers from BBC wrong? Should you send-off an email correcting them? The term started and remains "Beamer" (ee or ea not withstanding). If someone wants to use the wrong term, the bastardized version which draws attention to their ignorance...polite company will ignore them, I won't because they perpetuate a missuse of the term. BitOG readers deserve a shot at getting it right. "Bimmer" it sounds pretty stupid now, does it not?
It was Bimmer when we lived in Germany in '85. imo, Beemer sounds dumber.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW#Culture
http://www.google.com/search?q=bimmer+beemer+bmw&hl=en
http://www.bimmer-mag.com/
If you put the drain plug back in before you undo the filter you won't drain all the old oil...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW#Culture
http://www.google.com/search?q=bimmer+beemer+bmw&hl=en
http://www.bimmer-mag.com/
If you put the drain plug back in before you undo the filter you won't drain all the old oil...
Oh, I guess you called motorcycles one thing and cars another?
Hanging out with Americans?
BMW Blog:
"The BMW car enthusiasts wanted a new term to differentiate cars from motorcycles and coined the term Bimmer"
wow, that is such overwhelmingly convincing evidence, I can't argue with it.
Hanging out with Americans?
BMW Blog:
"The BMW car enthusiasts wanted a new term to differentiate cars from motorcycles and coined the term Bimmer"
wow, that is such overwhelmingly convincing evidence, I can't argue with it.
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Ok, hope all the experts who want to correct are sitting down. Firstly, it's TOTALLY absurd to think we have 2 pronunciations of products
Not two pronounciations. Two spellings.
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So, hang-on correctors of the corrector. Have you access to BBC? Spend a lot of time in England? I do. Notably, a very recent episode of Peep Show, Mark and Jeremy ~correctly~ refer to their boss's BEEMER, a 5-Series (not a motorcycle). This a 2006 show from England, where the term originated. Are the writers from BBC wrong?
What are you freaking out about now? Who's to say that the British are correct? BMW is not British. After all, all of these words are just slang. If you want to be correct, BMW is the only proper name. Neither beemer nor bimmer is a registered trademark of BMW.
http://www.bmwccbc.org/misc/tech-and-trivia/bimmer.html
Ok, hope all the experts who want to correct are sitting down. Firstly, it's TOTALLY absurd to think we have 2 pronunciations of products
Not two pronounciations. Two spellings.
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So, hang-on correctors of the corrector. Have you access to BBC? Spend a lot of time in England? I do. Notably, a very recent episode of Peep Show, Mark and Jeremy ~correctly~ refer to their boss's BEEMER, a 5-Series (not a motorcycle). This a 2006 show from England, where the term originated. Are the writers from BBC wrong?
What are you freaking out about now? Who's to say that the British are correct? BMW is not British. After all, all of these words are just slang. If you want to be correct, BMW is the only proper name. Neither beemer nor bimmer is a registered trademark of BMW.
http://www.bmwccbc.org/misc/tech-and-trivia/bimmer.html
Save citing 3rd-hand sources that just repeat people's mistaken notion, like Wiki or whatever US sources.
As far as pronunciation, I've personally been corrected to say (I can barely form the word) "Bimmer".
Bummer.
fwiw-
"I've been raised on the established fact that Bimmer refers to the BMW Car, while Beamer refers to the BMW motorbike, but is it a US-centric thing? I was watching AutoTrader and Wheeler Dealers on YouTube, and Mike Brewer for some odd reason kept referring to the BMW cars as Beamers.
I don't know about the States, but here in the UK "beamer" (or "beemer") refers to BMW cars
Usually Beamer refers to the cars.
If you'd comment on someone's bimmer/beemer here in Germany all you'd get would be stange looks.
I've never heard "bimmer" in Australia, only "beemer"...
Here, all BMW's are referred to as beemers, mainly because in certain stronger accents bimmer might be mistaken for bummer.
In the UK, this marque is sometimes known as a beemer, but maybe more commonly just as a Bee-Em. However, owners would usually say "I have a 535", or a 320 or whatever the model happens to be. I have never heard them referred to as "bimmers""
As far as pronunciation, I've personally been corrected to say (I can barely form the word) "Bimmer".
Bummer.
fwiw-
"I've been raised on the established fact that Bimmer refers to the BMW Car, while Beamer refers to the BMW motorbike, but is it a US-centric thing? I was watching AutoTrader and Wheeler Dealers on YouTube, and Mike Brewer for some odd reason kept referring to the BMW cars as Beamers.
I don't know about the States, but here in the UK "beamer" (or "beemer") refers to BMW cars
Usually Beamer refers to the cars.
If you'd comment on someone's bimmer/beemer here in Germany all you'd get would be stange looks.
I've never heard "bimmer" in Australia, only "beemer"...
Here, all BMW's are referred to as beemers, mainly because in certain stronger accents bimmer might be mistaken for bummer.
In the UK, this marque is sometimes known as a beemer, but maybe more commonly just as a Bee-Em. However, owners would usually say "I have a 535", or a 320 or whatever the model happens to be. I have never heard them referred to as "bimmers""
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
What are you freaking out about now? Who's to say that the British are correct?
Like I said, it's a term ~originated~ in Britan.
So now discussing a general automotive topic in the General Automotive Forum is "freaking out"?
What are you freaking out about now? Who's to say that the British are correct?
Like I said, it's a term ~originated~ in Britan.
So now discussing a general automotive topic in the General Automotive Forum is "freaking out"?
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Like I said, it's a term ~originated~ in Britan.
But some of us are in the US. The word 'colour' originated in GB. Does that mean it's wrong to spell it 'color' in the US?
Like I said, it's a term ~originated~ in Britan.
But some of us are in the US. The word 'colour' originated in GB. Does that mean it's wrong to spell it 'color' in the US?
Wait, uh...what happened to Beemers being cycles and Bimmers being cars?
What you are talking about with the ~spelling~ is more like Beemer vs Beamer.
At least we've established that Beamer is the correct pronunciation and that it's a UK term.
Doesn't take much of a leap to realize that it was adopted into the USA. I clearly explained how and why it did so. I'm trying to picture NE preps on BMW mortorcycles, kinda funny.
Like I said, try "Beamer" with an uptight NE accent.
Keep banging away, I can go all night when I'm right.
Somtimes American pop culture is pretty funny, especially when it is SOOO self-assured.
What you are talking about with the ~spelling~ is more like Beemer vs Beamer.
At least we've established that Beamer is the correct pronunciation and that it's a UK term.
Doesn't take much of a leap to realize that it was adopted into the USA. I clearly explained how and why it did so. I'm trying to picture NE preps on BMW mortorcycles, kinda funny.
Like I said, try "Beamer" with an uptight NE accent.
Keep banging away, I can go all night when I'm right.
Somtimes American pop culture is pretty funny, especially when it is SOOO self-assured.
FWIW, I never claimed it's pronounced differently. It's just spelled differently.
And the spelling is what the population think it is. Neither one made it to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, so who's to say which spelling is right?
FYI, I'm European, but I live in the US and I use American English.
And the spelling is what the population think it is. Neither one made it to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, so who's to say which spelling is right?
FYI, I'm European, but I live in the US and I use American English.
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
As far as pronunciation, I've personally been corrected to say (I can barely form the word) "Bimmer".
fwiw-
"I've been raised on the established fact that Bimmer refers to the BMW Car, while Beamer refers to the BMW motorbike, but is it a US-centric thing? I was watching AutoTrader and Wheeler Dealers on YouTube, and Mike Brewer for some odd reason kept referring to the BMW cars as Beamers.
I don't know about the States, but here in the UK "beamer" (or "beemer") refers to BMW cars
Usually Beamer refers to the cars.
If you'd comment on someone's bimmer/beemer here in Germany all you'd get would be stange looks.
I've never heard "bimmer" in Australia, only "beemer"...
Here, all BMW's are referred to as beemers, mainly because in certain stronger accents bimmer might be mistaken for bummer.
In the UK, this marque is sometimes known as a beemer, but maybe more commonly just as a Bee-Em. However, owners would usually say "I have a 535", or a 320 or whatever the model happens to be. I have never heard them referred to as "bimmers""
Are you even reading the quotes?
They are saying there is no "Bimmer" neither written nor spoken.
As far as pronunciation, I've personally been corrected to say (I can barely form the word) "Bimmer".
fwiw-
"I've been raised on the established fact that Bimmer refers to the BMW Car, while Beamer refers to the BMW motorbike, but is it a US-centric thing? I was watching AutoTrader and Wheeler Dealers on YouTube, and Mike Brewer for some odd reason kept referring to the BMW cars as Beamers.
I don't know about the States, but here in the UK "beamer" (or "beemer") refers to BMW cars
Usually Beamer refers to the cars.
If you'd comment on someone's bimmer/beemer here in Germany all you'd get would be stange looks.
I've never heard "bimmer" in Australia, only "beemer"...
Here, all BMW's are referred to as beemers, mainly because in certain stronger accents bimmer might be mistaken for bummer.
In the UK, this marque is sometimes known as a beemer, but maybe more commonly just as a Bee-Em. However, owners would usually say "I have a 535", or a 320 or whatever the model happens to be. I have never heard them referred to as "bimmers""
Are you even reading the quotes?
They are saying there is no "Bimmer" neither written nor spoken.
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