How do I know if my car has an ABS?

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Originally Posted By: Tegger
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
just seeing the icon doesn't mean it should always light up.

I'm not too sure of that. It's been my experience that non-present features are not represented at all, except maybe as blank areas. My understanding is that this is done for legal reasons, and also so that owners and technicians will not mistake absent features for non-functional ones.



You sound like a Ford guy. A more typically Chrysler way of doing things would be:

Use the same cluster regardless of functional needs (but use different clusters for different interior colors or for special cars such as SRT) and flash program the cluster after installation so as to use or not use the ABS light. If this works out well as it should for five years, then at the next model year change all the clusters and the programming for non-ABS clusters so that instead of simply not illuminating the ABS light during bulb test it burns out the LED. This should also work well enough except there should be a special flaw in the programming such that if the gear select is in R during the bulb test the TCM will set a code and go into limp-in mode unless the radio is on, then none of this occurrs, but the radio will permanently stop working and must be replaced. Once this weird programming feature is discovered, issue a recall requiring replacement of the instrument cluster with a new unit of the original design that has a program that simply doesn't light up the ABS light on non-ABS vehicles but with a different color and font on the gauge faces. The recall should apply to all vehicles regardless of whether or not they have ABS.
 
On the Car Fax, I noticed that this vehicle was a rental car at one point in time.
Originally Posted By: eljefino
^ Sometimes cars will have more complete idiot light appliques than they have options.

I agree on the "toothy wheel" look-see. Check out your tires and struts for wires going to/ clipped to them.

They made some cheap PT cruisers for rental fleets and helping their truck CAFE numbers. Lack of ABS is not a surprise.
 
Earlier today, I got in the car and the sun was hitting the gauge cluster so I could see the icons. I saw the ABS icon but it never lit up when I put the key in the on position.
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: Tegger
Originally Posted By: johnsmellsalot
I don't see an ABS unit under the hood. There are no abs lights that come on when I put the key in the on position. I just bought the car. It's a 2008 Chrysler PT Cruiser. Also, how would I know if it has traction control?

This thing evidently didn't come with an Owner's Manual...

Things like ABS and traction control are indicated by lamps ("idiot lights") within the instrument panel. These will illuminate for a short period of time when the ignition key is first turned to "run" (the last setting before "start"). If you do not see either light, then you probably don't have either feature.

Shine a flashlight on the instrument panel so that you can see any lettering or images that might be behind the visible fascia. If somebody has removed bulbs to hide faults and is claiming that the vehicle lacks the features you're hoping for, the flashlight trick will flush that out.

To confirm the presence/absence of ABS, turn the road wheels all the way to one side (doesn't matter which one, you're just doing this to make visibility). Now peek inside the wheel well in the region of the corrugated CV joint boot. You will see the obvious hydraulic hose. If you have ABS, you will also see a skinny black electrical wire. Check carefully! the wire may not follow the same path as the much thicker hydraulic line!

As for traction control, it uses the ABS. If you do not have ABS, you do not have traction control. If you DO have ABS, you might have traction control, and the flashlight trick will help with that.



Good post, one thing though, in most cases the same gauge cluster is used for ABS and NON ABS (as well as other features) so just seeing the icon doesn't mean it should always light up. That's where your other suggestions are right on the money.
 
Originally Posted By: johnsmellsalot
On the Car Fax, I noticed that this vehicle was a rental car at one point in time.
Originally Posted By: eljefino
^ Sometimes cars will have more complete idiot light appliques than they have options.

I agree on the "toothy wheel" look-see. Check out your tires and struts for wires going to/ clipped to them.

They made some cheap PT cruisers for rental fleets and helping their truck CAFE numbers. Lack of ABS is not a surprise.


There's your answer. It's about an $800 option when not standard.
 
Originally Posted By: yonyon
You sound like a Ford guy.

Honda and Toyota, actually.

Originally Posted By: yonyon
A more typically Chrysler way of doing things would be:
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And people wonder why the domestics have been losing ground to the Japs for decades...
 
Originally Posted By: johnsmellsalot
Earlier today, I got in the car and the sun was hitting the gauge cluster so I could see the icons. I saw the ABS icon but it never lit up when I put the key in the on position.

OK, now TURN THE WHEEL TO ONE SIDE AND CHECK FOR A SKINNY BLACK ELECTRICAL WIRE.

Sheesh. Why do people post here without performing the falling-off-a-log-easy checks that they've been advised to do?
 
Originally Posted By: Tegger
And people wonder why the domestics have been losing ground to the Japs for decades...



And now the Japs are losing ground to the domestics big time! Amazing how the tides have turned.
 
Too bad ABS and stability control are now required by NHTSA, I'm happy to have, or recently have had, a choice. Chrysler would rise in my list of choices.
 
I thought all cars had it.
Originally Posted By: Vikas
The bigger question is

"Did you buy this vehicle assuming it came with ABS?"

- Vikas
 
Originally Posted By: Tegger

I'm not too sure of that. It's been my experience that non-present features are not represented at all, except maybe as blank areas. My understanding is that this is done for legal reasons, and also so that owners and technicians will not mistake absent features for non-functional ones.



I have always found it to be the other way around - why would a manufacture spend the extra money to make a special cluster for every possible combination of features and options? It makes more sense to just make one cluster, as long as the unused indicators are not normally visible (which most aren't unless you shine a flashlight at it).
 
Originally Posted By: Tegger
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
just seeing the icon doesn't mean it should always light up.

I'm not too sure of that. It's been my experience that non-present features are not represented at all, except maybe as blank areas. My understanding is that this is done for legal reasons, and also so that owners and technicians will not mistake absent features for non-functional ones.




I am sure. I can only go by my experience as a GM engineer, we use the same clusters in most applications (and so does other automakers) -even the bulbs are present but not enabled thru the software if the option is not there. Another example is GM pickups from 2003-2006...no Tire pressure sensor sysem was used - but the SUV's did have it. The pickups and SUV shared the same cluster and the Low tire indicator is on all clusters. If you have a GM pickup of this vintage, you can add TPMS sensors to the truck, replace the DDM module and presto - Tire pressure system works incl the dash light. Another example is Jeep Cherokees....with or without 4WD the indicator is there.
 
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Originally Posted By: jim302
Originally Posted By: Tegger

I'm not too sure of that. It's been my experience that non-present features are not represented at all, except maybe as blank areas. My understanding is that this is done for legal reasons, and also so that owners and technicians will not mistake absent features for non-functional ones.



I have always found it to be the other way around - why would a manufacture spend the extra money to make a special cluster for every possible combination of features and options? It makes more sense to just make one cluster, as long as the unused indicators are not normally visible (which most aren't unless you shine a flashlight at it).


Thank you - you understand.

It's just not practical to have a cluster for every possible option variation - there would SEVERAL different ones with more chances of screw ups. Making them all the same and using the programming is the best way and that's how it is done. There is no "law" about the icons being there but not used as Tegger had said.
 
Originally Posted By: jim302
why would a manufacture spend the extra money to make a special cluster for every possible combination of features and options?

Well, Toyota and Honda do, or did, just that. Both of our cars (a Toyota and a Honda) have instrument clusters that are specific to the options and features they came with. Absent options are either not there at all, or they are represented by blank black ovals (ovals being the styling theme used). My car, in particular, came with one of several different clusters depending on whether the car was an automatic or a manual, and on other factors.

Evidently the domestics do things differently. That's why I prefaced my post with "it's been my experience".
 
Not with Ford. Everyone gets the same cluster; weather they work or not...

So, has our esteemed gentleman been able to figure out if he has ABS after all these fine responses??? The suspense is killing me...
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Originally Posted By: johnsmellsalot
Ya it doesn't have ABS.
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That's a good thing. Be glad: You have one less expensive, complicated thing to have break on you.

Plus, in certain circumstances, lack of ABS will mean your stopping distances will be shorter than they would be with ABS. ABS is horrible on ice.
 
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Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: jim302
Originally Posted By: Tegger

I'm not too sure of that. It's been my experience that non-present features are not represented at all, except maybe as blank areas. My understanding is that this is done for legal reasons, and also so that owners and technicians will not mistake absent features for non-functional ones.



I have always found it to be the other way around - why would a manufacture spend the extra money to make a special cluster for every possible combination of features and options? It makes more sense to just make one cluster, as long as the unused indicators are not normally visible (which most aren't unless you shine a flashlight at it).


Thank you - you understand.

It's just not practical to have a cluster for every possible option variation - there would SEVERAL different ones with more chances of screw ups. Making them all the same and using the programming is the best way and that's how it is done. There is no "law" about the icons being there but not used as Tegger had said.


Generally with Ford you have 2 options MPH/KPH (USA) or KPH/MPH (Canada). If there are multiple engine offerings then there will be different clusters offered for those specific engines. The ABS or DTSC or whatever alphabet soup option there are will be present but not activated.
 
It rained today so I tested my brakes and they locked up. I guess I can just pump them like they told me in drivers ed.
 
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