Honda Civic ate a new set up plugs in under 10k

[Surestick]

The ceramic insulator on those plugs also looks quite dark for a fuel injected vehicle.

 

[sk_pete]

The way those washers are compressed doesn’t look right to me, in particular the second one from the top.

Did you have to gap them before putting them in? You may have damaged the center electrode.

Scott

i guess !

https://www.ngk.com/tapered-vs-gasket-seat

 

[Oliveoil2]

For my Honda Fit 120k maintenance Got a set of counterfeit ngk’s from Rock Auto last year. Returned them and went to the dealer. 3x as much but no headaches. 100k + so it’s no big deal. Adjusted the valves, new plugs, good until 250k.

 

[D60]

For my Honda Fit 120k maintenance Got a set of counterfeit ngk’s from Rock Auto last year. Returned them and went to the dealer. 3x as much but no headaches. 100k + so it’s no big deal. Adjusted the valves, new plugs, good until 250k.

From RA?? Is nothing sacred????

 

[JHZR2]

They don’t look like they were torqued correctly.

@The Critic does this engine need to have the plugs indexed a certain way too?

 

[JeffKeryk]

For my Honda Fit 120k maintenance Got a set of counterfeit ngk’s from Rock Auto last year. Returned them and went to the dealer. 3x as much but no headaches. 100k + so it’s no big deal. Adjusted the valves, new plugs, good until 250k.

How do you know they were fakes? I thought RA was legit.

 

[GMBoy]

It appears the plug was damaged from gapping or at install. I am of the minority in that I like Autolites - no issues and their XP line is very good and priced right. I actually use NGK, Denso and others and no issues. The only plugs I won't use because I had several issues over the years with different cars is the Bosch platinums, +2 and +4 styles - garbage and misfiring out the box. I refused to use Champions for years but just recently used their platinum power plugs and they seem fine.

 

[Elroy the Brave]

Maybe use some normal double platinum plugs without such a fine wire center electrode.

They'll be a lot tougher and less prone to break. And they'll last a long time too.

I have never noticed any difference when I've tried these super fine wire plugs.

 

[Oliveoil2]

How do you know they were fakes? I thought RA was legit.

Because the stamped printing was a little off. I did some research and determined that they were fake. I like RA and continue to use them. Plugs and coolant I now only by from the dealer. Peace of mind.

 

[The Critic]

They don’t look like they were torqued correctly.

@The Critic does this engine need to have the plugs indexed a certain way too?

No

 

[slacktide_bitog]

Because the stamped printing was a little off. I did some research and determined that they were fake. I like RA and continue to use them. Plugs and coolant I now only by from the dealer. Peace of mind.

Where did the plugs come from? What was the return address?

 

[zzyzzx]

Fake plugs? Maybe get a set of NGK from a reputable parts shop, and see how they do.

Fake Autolites???

 

[D60]

Fake Autolites???

I kinda had that initial reaction too, but the Chinese will fake anything if they think they can make a penny. If you're already cranking out fake plugs might as well start stamping some as Autolite.

That said, I haven't heard confirmation of fake Autolites but nothing would surprise me. Especially with retail pricing on Iridiums, the margins are there if you can build something for 30 cents that looks like Iridium and sells for, say, $10

 

[zzyzzx]

Never had good luck with Autolite plugs. Almost as bad or worse than Champion.

I've never had an issue with Autolites or Champions. But then again, I wouldn't put them into the one Toyota that I maintain.

 

[zzyzzx]

I kinda had that initial reaction too, but the Chinese will fake anything if they think they can make a penny. If you're already cranking out fake plugs might as well start stamping some as Autolite.

That said, I haven't heard confirmation of fake Autolites but nothing would surprise me. Especially with retail pricing on Iridiums, the margins are there if you can build something for 30 cents that looks like Iridium and sells for, say, $10

I mostly only use Autolite's double platinum's. Not enough money on faking those.

 

[Tdbo]

You don't run autolite plugs in a Honda. Where did you buy them from?

I only run NGK or Denso in a Honda.

 

[D60]

I mostly only use Autolite's double platinum's. Not enough money on faking those.

I dunno, they fake Motorcraft double platinums like mad.

I put Autolite Iridiums (from O'Reilly) in my old '05 Yukon with 5.3, it ran fine (shrug).

 

[zzyzzx]

I dunno, they fake Motorcraft double platinums like mad.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1563665-beware-of-counterfeit-fake-knock-off-spark-plugs.html

But I have never heard of fake Autolite Double Platinums.

 

[michaelluscher]

I've never had good luck with Autolite or Champion plugs
NGK or Denso only for me
Sometimes a Motorcraft or ACDelco plug, is just a reboxed and rebranded NGK/Denso

The OE part number for this car is a ILZKAR8H8S, I would use nothing else

 

[vssjim]

At one point Motorcraft and Autolite plugs were almost identical and made in the same factory in Ohio.

They are the same thing most of the time except when ford has NGK relabel their plugs for ford, There is no motorcraft factory as ford just owns the name and pay a company to label the parts as motorcraft. ford owned Autolite in the 60's but had to sell them through an anti-trust law suit they lost.