Don’t do it HONDA. RUN AWAY!
Honda and Nissan to Merge?
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Exactly. Before the Renault alliance, Nissan was like Toyota, or very close to it.
Yessir. Run.
Just curious but is Nissan a small player around the world. I know sometimes the vehicles that are not popular in the US because of restrictions or price do most of their business elsewhere in a stripped down version.
Nissan has slipped recently, largely due to boring products, but they still sell a lot of vehicles. Their manufacturing sites are very efficient; Harbor used to rate them near the top of the industry in that metric. Nissan also has deep engineering knowledge. It's too bad that the product planners steered the company in the wrong direction. And of course, their decision to go all in on Jatco CVT's, killed their reputation for durability. Still though, they are a valuable asset
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If Nissan was able to put Honda CVT's in their vehicles it would be a big positive for Nissan. But what would Honda get out of it? Strengthening a competitor is not the way to improve a business.
As usual, everyone's bias on these topics shows up with no data.
Nissan in unit volume globally isn't all that much smaller than Honda.
Nissan holds much better market share in many markets over Honda. In China for example Nissan is the largest Japanese supplier. Nissan has been 1 or 2 in Mexico for Decades. They have a decent presence in the middle east and Australia. There are many other examples. Renault bled them dry, tried to force volume over quality. They overbuilt manufacturing and made all kinds of stupid decisions here in the US market. Now they need capital to fix that.
I have no idea whom it is good for an whom it is not. My guess is JCB would give money to Nissan if they wanted so there must be more to it. So my guess is JCB wants the two to merge - if the article is true at all which is a big if. Maybe they realize that there are too many car brands and better to consolidate into a few Japanese brands to ensure survival?
Nissan in unit volume globally isn't all that much smaller than Honda.
Nissan holds much better market share in many markets over Honda. In China for example Nissan is the largest Japanese supplier. Nissan has been 1 or 2 in Mexico for Decades. They have a decent presence in the middle east and Australia. There are many other examples. Renault bled them dry, tried to force volume over quality. They overbuilt manufacturing and made all kinds of stupid decisions here in the US market. Now they need capital to fix that.
I have no idea whom it is good for an whom it is not. My guess is JCB would give money to Nissan if they wanted so there must be more to it. So my guess is JCB wants the two to merge - if the article is true at all which is a big if. Maybe they realize that there are too many car brands and better to consolidate into a few Japanese brands to ensure survival?
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Wish that would fix it.
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I was in Thailand a few months ago, zero Nissans. Mostly Toyotas, Mitsubishi, Isuzus. Right sized mid trucks that actually do work.
What EV tech would Honda want from Nissan? Nothing special about the Ariya and the Leaf should have been put out to pasture years ago.
Honda did just fine partnering with GM on the Prologue… if anything they should just start making their own cars and buying the EV drivetrain from GM to put in them until they have their own. They can learn from GM just as well as they could learn from Nissan.
Rivian did this for example with their motors. They bought them from Bosch until they came up with an in house design to end up with a lower cost per unit.
Honda did just fine partnering with GM on the Prologue… if anything they should just start making their own cars and buying the EV drivetrain from GM to put in them until they have their own. They can learn from GM just as well as they could learn from Nissan.
Rivian did this for example with their motors. They bought them from Bosch until they came up with an in house design to end up with a lower cost per unit.
May be both Honda and Nissan feel threatened by Toyota and Mazda joining their forces? Trying to grow too big to fail? It only works for US banks thou ... LOL
I wish we got Mazda CX-60 here, nice car, size and all. It'd cut into Audi, BMW and Toyota sales nicely. Big Three make competing products but would likely lose sales to CX-60 miserably.
I wish we got Mazda CX-60 here, nice car, size and all. It'd cut into Audi, BMW and Toyota sales nicely. Big Three make competing products but would likely lose sales to CX-60 miserably.
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One thing Honda lacks is frame based vehicles, something Nissan has.
Not saying the merger makes sense, but imagine the Nissan frame based truck factories in Tennessee and Mississippi start turning out Honda pickups. Worth the merger, no- but I suspect Honda based pickups, made in the USA, might be a good addition to the Honda lineup.
As I just found this thread, I'll post what I said in the other thread about Nissan here..
I think a merger is insane between Honda and Nissan. What is Honda going to do that Nissan changes how they got here needing money? Nothing.. Will only bankrupt Honda. And it's telling with Mitsubishi is dumping their shares in Nissan. They've had a merger/alliance with Nissan for awhile, they know to get out and get out quickly!
Oh Mitsu isn't buying back shares? Yes they are.. here's a link
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a62841185/mitsubishi-buys-shares-from-nissan/
I think a merger is insane between Honda and Nissan. What is Honda going to do that Nissan changes how they got here needing money? Nothing.. Will only bankrupt Honda. And it's telling with Mitsubishi is dumping their shares in Nissan. They've had a merger/alliance with Nissan for awhile, they know to get out and get out quickly!
Oh Mitsu isn't buying back shares? Yes they are.. here's a link
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a62841185/mitsubishi-buys-shares-from-nissan/
I think this can be good for Honda. Honda is sorely lacking in the EV area while Nissan has the production infrastructure, market share and in-house technical expertise to compete. Nissan also has expertise with body-on-frame vehicles while Honda does not.
Together, the two companies will have a stronger full-line portfolio.
Together, the two companies will have a stronger full-line portfolio.
A merger aimed at pooling their resources to enhance their competitiveness in the EV sector won't have a lot use for V8s and body-on-frame platforms.
Especially for a company like Honda, that has embraced technology, and has engineering prowess, but steadfastly refused to build products employing either one.
And Lord help Honda if they allow any part of Nissan's executive leadership to be a part of the company based on that C-suite's miserable record in its recent history.
Despite whatever Ghosn may have been skimming off the top for himself, staging a palace coup and then following that up with incompetent, and short-lived replacements betrays the headless-chicken status at the top of the company.
Especially for a company like Honda, that has embraced technology, and has engineering prowess, but steadfastly refused to build products employing either one.
And Lord help Honda if they allow any part of Nissan's executive leadership to be a part of the company based on that C-suite's miserable record in its recent history.
Despite whatever Ghosn may have been skimming off the top for himself, staging a palace coup and then following that up with incompetent, and short-lived replacements betrays the headless-chicken status at the top of the company.
There not dumping Nissan Shares. There buying there own shares back. Its in the exact link you posted clear as day.
"The sale equates to 10.02 percent of existing non-treasury shares and will reduce Nissan's current stake in Mitsubishi from 34.07 percent to 24.05 percent holding"
Actually no one wants to dump there Nissan shares. Nissan / Japanese government is to a degree forcing Renault to sell theirs, which is why there looking for another investor.
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