Home Invasion Robbery today :(

[Drew99GT]

After watching the video, holy cow, talk about bad luck (on they're part........and yours I guess)! Thank your lucky stars your neighbor has the surveillance camera. I'd consider getting one as well. Gawd I hope these thugs get time, but with how are system is, they probably get probation........AGAIN.

 

[AcuraTech]

As for the guy saying "I'm gonna kill you!" I wouldn't worry about it so much. Just another loud mouth [censored] voicing frustrations about having his [censored] tossed back in jail. Not saying a gun is a bad idea, but I doubt you'll ever see those dummies again. Pack heat and get a few cameras installed = sleep well at night.

Might also be a good time to do a home security audit, make sure that all doors/door locks are in good condition, and that there aren't any doors that can be kicked open. Make sure all window locks work, and install security lights if need be. Make your house hard to get into. Most criminals are inept and lazy, and go for easy targets. They won't spend more than 10 minutes trying to get in. Keep all valuables in a dedicated safe. Keep your new piece oiled and ready. Good to see that you and your family are OK, with only minimal property damage.

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: AcuraTech
Most criminals are inept and lazy


Like these dumb [censored] who break into a car in broad daylight on a busy street/intersection.

 

[XCELERATIONRULES]

Originally Posted By: rg200amp
+1 on getting a Mossberg 12 gauge. I have one for home use. With 00 buck shot.

As for a carry gun, I would advise against the Taurus. It is a good starter gun, but I would never carry it.

If you want a carry gun that will fire when you need it get a Glock. I will only carry Glock.

9mm is easy to shoot and its light.
However I would have to recommend something with more punch. I am getting the glock 27. A 40 cal.

I would use nothing smaller than a 40cal. a 45 round would work best.

If you have to shoot someone, you want a round that will put them down for the count!


Good luck with your CCP.

and

Please take some classes on guns and gun safty if you have not allready.


I doubt a first time gun owner is going to buy a semi auto rather than a revolver.
First time he pulls the trigger and nothing happens or he thinks the gun is empty and it goes off,there is gonna be some problems.
There is nothing wrong with a taurus revolver,smith and wesson,ruger,or the many other manufactures of revolvers.

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
I want to get a weapon for the past few years. My wife won't let me. She's anti-gun.


I lost my chance when we first got married. I had convinced her that she needed one so we went to shop but couldn't find any that would a. fit in her hand and b. easy to load. The revolvers were too big for her hand, and the tiny pistols that did fit in her hand were too hard to load.

A few months later when I came up with the idea that an AK-47 would be much easier for her to load and operate, she had changed her mind. I think she thinks that I cannot be trusted as I joked about her life insurance...

 

[Saturn_Fan]

Originally Posted By: XS650
Originally Posted By: Solo2driver
My very good friend back home in CA, ex-Navy etc etc etc, recommended his home setup-- 12ga loaded in this order: beanbag, salt load (for extra pain?), dove/bird load, and then the rest with very heavy shot. Figures if he has to shoot someone (which he has no problem with), might as well try to just stop them first...and if he has to get to the real damaging loads, he can.



That's one of the dumbest ideas I have heard. If you are going to shoot someone, shoot to kill.

All you are would accomplish with your friends "Miss Manners" approach to greeting home invaders would be increasing your chance of losing the encounter.



I don't condone using less than lethal rounds either. The proponents of this practice point to the time after you end an intruder's life that you may be in a court of law where the Prosecutor makes terms like "00 Buckshot" or "slugs" sound very scary. If your lawyer tells the judge/jury that you tried to "warn" a home invader with a bean bag, rubber pellets, etc. it may help you your case. There have been cases where home owners have been criminally charged with the injury or death of an invader.

I don't subscribe to using LTL rounds in that fashion, but some gun owners would be nervous about going to jail for defending their homes in today's PC world.

 

[XCELERATIONRULES]

Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
I want to get a weapon for the past few years. My wife won't let me. She's anti-gun.


Most females are anti gun because of fear.
Take her to the range and let her shoot for an hour or so.
Once my wife decided they were quite safe and fun,she would ask to go shooting.

 

[Saturn_Fan]

Originally Posted By: XCELERATIONRULES
Originally Posted By: rg200amp
+1 on getting a Mossberg 12 gauge. I have one for home use. With 00 buck shot.

As for a carry gun, I would advise against the Taurus. It is a good starter gun, but I would never carry it.

If you want a carry gun that will fire when you need it get a Glock. I will only carry Glock.

9mm is easy to shoot and its light.
However I would have to recommend something with more punch. I am getting the glock 27. A 40 cal.

I would use nothing smaller than a 40cal. a 45 round would work best.

If you have to shoot someone, you want a round that will put them down for the count!


Good luck with your CCP.

and

Please take some classes on guns and gun safty if you have not allready.


I doubt a first time gun owner is going to buy a semi auto rather than a revolver.
First time he pulls the trigger and nothing happens or he thinks the gun is empty and it goes off,there is gonna be some problems.
There is nothing wrong with a taurus revolver,smith and wesson,ruger,or the many other manufactures of revolvers.







+1. I own a few very nice and reliable semi-auto pistols, but the gun on my nightstand is a Ruger SP101 3" .357. It'll go boom when I pull the trigger and will not stove pipe, limp wrist, no safeties, etc. in the heat of the moment. I highly recommend a revolver like this to newbies. I am not putting down the SW M&P or Sig P229 semi-autos that I own at all. I just feel more comfortable in an adrenaline filled situation with a revolver, but YMMV.

That being said, a .357 round can really bite you in a smaller revolver, so I went with .38special +P lead semi wadcutter hollow points (LSWCHP) 158 grains. Not a lot of kick and that round is considered at/near the top of effectiveness in .38.

All of the above is if you cannot get to your 12 gauge pump for whatever reason. There is nothing to that will intimidate the bad guys or stop them faster than a person proficient with a shotgun.

 

[Gary Allan]

Well, you're going to have the worst of both attitudes emerge on this issue. If you manage to uphold unthrottled lethal response to home invasions, you'll have people killing people who run away with no threat to life. Essentially executioners for crimes that would not be committed in the face of lethal force.

Now I'm not saying that this is a "wrong attitude". That's for you to decide, but that will be the side effect.

I had a drunk guy just walk in my house. He wasn't "breaking in". He was just lost and majorly tossed. I could have bashed his brains out and would have been more than willing to if I hadn't just assessed him for demeanor. The cops picked him up and asked if I wanted to press charges. I said only if they wanted the added paper work. They said that I could have bludgeoned him without fear of recourse ..I said "to what gain?".

A gun would not have saved me if this was a gun toting crackhead ..at least in terms of "tactical response". I would have to be wearing a concealed weapon while relaxing in my own home and manage to figure how to surprise him while being covered. Not a high odds scenario.

 

[XS650]

Saturn_Fan, if someone wants to give the bad guy a warning, and things are unfolding so leisurely that they have time for niceties, 00 aimed at the ground immediately in front of the bad guy will get his attention.

That would still be a dumb way to use your time, but not as dumb as having two Miss Manners rounds you had to go through before you got down to business.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
I want to get a weapon for the past few years. My wife won't let me. She's anti-gun.


When seconds count the Police take minutes.

All they do is take notes when they arrive.

She needs to understand that its YOUR responsibility to protect your family. The police can not be everywhere all the time.
And the police miss their target many more times than the gun owner protecting themselves.

Look at the states that are Anti-gun. They have the most crime AFTER they pass their laws. The states that are pro gun are the safest. The states that allow concealed carry have even lower crime rates.

Good luck. Bill

 

[Stewart Fan]

Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
James, very glad to hear you're OK, and I'll (what is it, 10th!!) the notion of getting a shotgun. I prefer the Remington 870, and then upgrade it with a pistol grip, a short barrel, and a flashlight with a grip switch, loaded with federal tactical 00 buck. Lots of people say don't get all the doodads like the pistol grip, but when you need to quickly grab the weapon and crank out some lead, I find it to be easier then a regular stock (controls the recoil better when you firing at hip level).

Keep it in a locked case though because of your daughter.


Ditch the pistol grip and go back to the butt stock. Despite popular opinion,a shotgun doesn't lay down a 10' wide swath of destruction. At personal defense ranges,a shotgun has a pretty tight pattern. Shooting from the hip is a good way to totally miss what you're shooting at. Shotguns,just like rifles,need to be aimed.

 

[Gary Allan]

I like the variety of techniques/opinions on how one is properly prepared to administer lethal force(I mean it). I'd say that unless you're ex-combat military ..desperately wished to be ex-combat military (para-military) ... LOE ..or a major firearm sportsman ..that the first time you're into a confrontation with a firearm ..FEAR is going to be your biggest enemy.

Get a decently aggressive (OgresSIF -crockhunter RIP), but manageable, dog that can do the vanguard assault on intruders. That gives you time to manage your fear.

 

[Saturn_Fan]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
I like the variety of techniques/opinions on how one is properly prepared to administer lethal force(I mean it). I'd say that unless you're ex-combat military ..desperately wished to be ex-combat military (para-military) ... LOE ..or a major firearm sportsman ..that the first time you're into a confrontation with a firearm ..FEAR is going to be your biggest enemy.

Get a decently aggressive (OgresSIF -crockhunter RIP), but manageable, dog that can do the vanguard assault on intruders. That gives you time to manage your fear.


Actually, you have a good point on fear during one of these "meetings". I definitely know I will be scared s--tless if an intruder gains access while I am home, guns or no guns. If you cannot manage your fear during a home invasion/burglary, then all the guns in the world aren't going to help you situation.

 

[Saturn_Fan]

Originally Posted By: XS650
Saturn_Fan, if someone wants to give the bad guy a warning, and things are unfolding so leisurely that they have time for niceties, 00 aimed at the ground immediately in front of the bad guy will get his attention.

That would still be a dumb way to use your time, but not as dumb as having two Miss Manners rounds you had to go through before you got down to business.


Some of the rubber pellet rounds are nothing to play around with. In fact, rubber rounds at too close of a range, like in your home's hallway or bedroom, will rearrange the facial features of a bad guy. It wouldn't take many times of getting shot by these pellets for me to bug out quickly.

 

[01rangerxl]

That's nuts. Glad you're okay.

It's unbelieveable how stupid theives can be. At least this time their stupid behavior got them arrested.

 

[moribundman]

Originally Posted By: Saturn_Fan
In fact, rubber rounds at too close of a range[snip] will rearrange the facial features of a bad guy.


You'd be paying his medical bills for the rest of your life. You better rub him out.

 

[Saturn_Fan]

Originally Posted By: moribundman
Originally Posted By: Saturn_Fan
In fact, rubber rounds at too close of a range[snip] will rearrange the facial features of a bad guy.


You'd be paying his medical bills for the rest of your life. You better rub him out.


You are right about that. The perpetrator would probably own the house you live in after a nice civil suit.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: Drew99GT

She doesn't need to know!

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Cutehumor]

yeah, she has some kind of idea that when you use a gun for self defense, most times it is used on the owner. plus, when we have kids later. She's afraid of accidents. She's scared of them. Her family didn't have a gun growing up. I grew up poor in Memphis, TN so I have a different perspective than she does. She grew up in a wealthy neighborhood.