Can you provide the link
High VI Market: Whither
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Originally Posted By: TaterandNoodles
Can you provide the link
I receive the hard copy of the Lubes'N'Greases magazine but I believe it is available on line.
Again it's the Sept 2012 issue, in the article titled "The Never Ending Puzzle of Flow" by Steve Swedberg.
Can you provide the link
I receive the hard copy of the Lubes'N'Greases magazine but I believe it is available on line.
Again it's the Sept 2012 issue, in the article titled "The Never Ending Puzzle of Flow" by Steve Swedberg.
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My question to you was, why are you using information about a product that is for blending low viscosity ATF in discussion about engine lubricants? Because Lubrizol clearly states Asteric is for driveline and hydraulics you should not reference it when discussing any engine oil simple as that.
You see it right here this stuffs primary usage is for transmissions a gear lubes.
Now some are using it a few engines oils those oils have become the holy grail even though their NOAK sucks in many cases and are probably not the best choice for a DI engine.
Originally Posted By: Caterham
receive the hard copy of the Lubes'N'Greases magazine but I believe it is available on line.
Again it's the Sept 2012 issue, in the article titled "The Never Ending Puzzle of Flow" by Steve Swedberg.
This is where this guy gets some of his expert opinions and throws them out as irrefutable facts!
IMHO when Mobil, Shell (and its subsidiaries, Amsoil, Redline, BP and others start touting the fact their oils are high VI like its something relevant and there is a spec that specifies the amount of VI then i will believe it really has some significant worth.
Till then i will continue to buy lubes based on performance, their ability to prevent wear and the oils ability to keep the engine clean regardless of who made it.
I cannot and do not believe for a second that the producers of quality engine oils deliberately produce an oil for the retail market that will not protect the engine as well as a manufacturers specified formula.
They may go about it a different way with a different add pack but they can get the same results or even better, they have proven this for many decades.
My question to you was, why are you using information about a product that is for blending low viscosity ATF in discussion about engine lubricants? Because Lubrizol clearly states Asteric is for driveline and hydraulics you should not reference it when discussing any engine oil simple as that.
You see it right here this stuffs primary usage is for transmissions a gear lubes.
Now some are using it a few engines oils those oils have become the holy grail even though their NOAK sucks in many cases and are probably not the best choice for a DI engine.
Originally Posted By: Caterham
receive the hard copy of the Lubes'N'Greases magazine but I believe it is available on line.
Again it's the Sept 2012 issue, in the article titled "The Never Ending Puzzle of Flow" by Steve Swedberg.
This is where this guy gets some of his expert opinions and throws them out as irrefutable facts!
IMHO when Mobil, Shell (and its subsidiaries, Amsoil, Redline, BP and others start touting the fact their oils are high VI like its something relevant and there is a spec that specifies the amount of VI then i will believe it really has some significant worth.
Till then i will continue to buy lubes based on performance, their ability to prevent wear and the oils ability to keep the engine clean regardless of who made it.
I cannot and do not believe for a second that the producers of quality engine oils deliberately produce an oil for the retail market that will not protect the engine as well as a manufacturers specified formula.
They may go about it a different way with a different add pack but they can get the same results or even better, they have proven this for many decades.
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: Caterham
receive the hard copy of the Lubes'N'Greases magazine but I believe it is available on line.
Again it's the Sept 2012 issue, in the article titled "The Never Ending Puzzle of Flow" by Steve Swedberg.
This is where this guy gets some of his expert opinions and throws them out as irrefutable facts!
Why can't "Lubes'N'Greases" magazine be used as a reference? I have read many informative articles there.
Originally Posted By: Caterham
receive the hard copy of the Lubes'N'Greases magazine but I believe it is available on line.
Again it's the Sept 2012 issue, in the article titled "The Never Ending Puzzle of Flow" by Steve Swedberg.
This is where this guy gets some of his expert opinions and throws them out as irrefutable facts!
Why can't "Lubes'N'Greases" magazine be used as a reference? I have read many informative articles there.
Of course it can but its just one source and one point of view by one individual in many cases.
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
The most commonly used type of polymer VIIs are the olefin copolymers and it is impossible to acheive a 200 VI finished oil no matter how much of the stuff you use.
The above BEGS the question; Exactly which VII does Red Line use in their 197 VI 0W-40 (since they are SOOOO close to the magical 200 number)??
I wish all of the very knowledgeable tribologists/chemical engineer types would come onto this thread and shed some light on this specific topic, for once and for all!
The most commonly used type of polymer VIIs are the olefin copolymers and it is impossible to acheive a 200 VI finished oil no matter how much of the stuff you use.
The above BEGS the question; Exactly which VII does Red Line use in their 197 VI 0W-40 (since they are SOOOO close to the magical 200 number)??
I wish all of the very knowledgeable tribologists/chemical engineer types would come onto this thread and shed some light on this specific topic, for once and for all!
Originally Posted By: TaterandNoodles
First Asteric is not a type of polymer, it is the trade marked name of a polymer Lubrizol is marketing for use in ATF and hydraulic lubricants.
I'm the 'guilty party' in using Asteric as a "type" of polymer (in this thread at least).
The reason I did such is because that is the ONLY way I have to indentify the new breed of PMA VIIs that anyone at all would recognize, and have any idea about which I am speaking.
Does ANYONE know the actual, technical, chemical name for these so that I can use it instead of a brand/trade name?
First Asteric is not a type of polymer, it is the trade marked name of a polymer Lubrizol is marketing for use in ATF and hydraulic lubricants.
I'm the 'guilty party' in using Asteric as a "type" of polymer (in this thread at least).
The reason I did such is because that is the ONLY way I have to indentify the new breed of PMA VIIs that anyone at all would recognize, and have any idea about which I am speaking.
Does ANYONE know the actual, technical, chemical name for these so that I can use it instead of a brand/trade name?
How about "ultra high VI multi-branched polymethacrylate polymers"? A bit of a mouthful no?
For the time being I think Asteric type PMAs is just fine. We all know what you're talking about.
For the time being I think Asteric type PMAs is just fine. We all know what you're talking about.
The portion regarding Asteric does suggest it maybe used in engine oils. However it is not suggested or supported on their website. It begins on page 30 of the Sept issue. I sent an email but it may take a few days for a reply.
http://digital.olivesoftware.com/Olive/ODE/LNG/
http://digital.olivesoftware.com/Olive/ODE/LNG/
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