High Performance Tire 235/45-17 Choice

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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
For a top 3 summer tire the best deal is the Ventus V12 from Hankook. This tire almost won the last comparo in C&D! I've got about 10k miles on my set and have found them to be a very surprisingly good tire for the money.


We had a set of the Hankook Ventus V12 tires on our Mazda6, and they were, indeed, excellent tires. One rarely mentioned virtue is that, for whatever reason, they leaked air less that any other tires we have had over the years. All tires will lose some air pressure over time, but the Hankooks were exceptionally good in that regard.

The suspension geometry of some cars, especially cars with Macpherson strut front suspensions, causes tires to wear unevenly between inside and outside, and directional tread tires like the Ventus V12 cannot be as easily rotated to reduce the effects of that wear pattern as nondirectional tread tires can; fortunately, the Mazda6, with a double wishbone front suspension, wore the Ventus V12 tires evenly. We probably would have been less happy with the Vemtus V12s on the Nissan Maxima that we formerly had that wore its front tires very unevenly.

When it came time to replace them, we switched to Dunlop SP Sport Maxx TT tires. The Dunlops are still relatively new, so a comparison between how the Dunlops perform and the roughly 25,000 miles that we put on the Hankooks would be incomplete, but, so far, the Dunlops seem to be the better tires.
 
Originally Posted By: GC4lunch
....... Remember: brakes do not stop cars; tires do. .....


Please try this test: remove the brake pads from your car, and let us know how well the tires stop the car.
 
Originally Posted By: SubLGT
^ In that case, don't look at UHPAS tires like the Kumho and Hankook you listed. Look at Grand Touring AS tires, or Performance AS tires. Something like the Continental Pure Contact, the Goodyear Assurance TripleTread AS, or the new Pirelli Cinturato P7 AS Plus, Michelin Primacy MXV4, etc.


Looks like no MXV4 in his size, it is an MXM4 (and there is more than one - watch out TW is lower on one)

I would stay away from directional tires particularly if the car is hard on tires.
 
Originally Posted By: SubLGT
Originally Posted By: GC4lunch
....... Remember: brakes do not stop cars; tires do. .....


Please try this test: remove the brake pads from your car, and let us know how well the tires stop the car.


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Originally Posted By: SubLGT
Originally Posted By: GC4lunch
....... Remember: brakes do not stop cars; tires do. .....


Please try this test: remove the brake pads from your car, and let us know how well the tires stop the car.



Cute...but specious...

With poor grip on the road by the tires, the brakes are ineffective. Stopping distances vary considerably with different brands of tires. The point, and it's a good one, is that if the OP is concerned with his wife's safety, then tires with good braking performance are a wise investment...
 
Originally Posted By: SubLGT
Originally Posted By: GC4lunch
....... Remember: brakes do not stop cars; tires do. .....

Please try this test: remove the brake pads from your car, and let us know how well the tires stop the car.


Consider the following statement in a technical white paper of one of the foremost providers of braking systems -- including brake pads -- in the world:

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The brakes don't stop the vehicle - the tires do. The brakes slow the rotation of the wheels and tires. This means that braking distance measured on a single stop from a highway legal speed or higher is almost totally dependent upon the stopping ability of the tires in use ...

Link to StopTech LLC Technical Support ...Selection".

StopTech is in the business of selling brake components, not tires, so the above statement can hardly be regarded as biased.
 
Originally Posted By: 4ever4d
Originally Posted By: SubLGT


Please try this test: remove the brake pads from your car, and let us know how well the tires stop the car.

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In fact, the NHTSA test procedure for the Traction component of the Uniform Tire Quality Grading system provides for the tires to be stopped without the use of brake pads. Before any passenger car tire can be sold in the United States, a sample of the tire must be put through a test in which the tire stops the test vehicle after a chuck is thrown into the axle to stop the vehicle without introducing the variable of the vehicle's braking system.
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I like the Nitto Invos aswell as the Nitto Neogens. Nitto is surprisingly good at these tires aswell and without the Michelin Price tag. I had Pilot PS2's on my BMW when I bought it and the Nitto's were a great replacement for the price. They look good aswell.
 
Michelin Primacy MXM4 would be a good choice.

I have Kumho ECSTA Platinum LX 235/40r18. The TR's note on wet traction is on the money. Made in Korea also.

Pirelli P6 4-seasons are horrible. They are a OE tire on many cars.
 
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I think I will go with Kumho Ecsta 4X. It is ranked first in Tirerack test of 4 budget (value-priced) ultra high performance all-season tires, the other 3 tires: General G-MAX AS-03, Yokohama AVID ENVigor (W-Speed Rated) and Hankook Ventus V4 ES H105.

For $100/ea + tax(7.75%) + installation/balance + misc fees(Tire disposal and CA environmental fee), the total for 4 tires will be about $515.

There is a combined rebate of $125 so the net will be about $390, which is not bad for 4 installed 235/45-17 with UTQG 420 AA and speed rate W, also with 40k miles tread life warranty.

It is non-unidirectional tire, therefore can be rotated any way.
 
^ I will be very surprised if you can get 30k out of the 4Xs. There is a thread here where a member wore out his set in 25,000 miles of easy driving. But that is a killer price for 4 good tires.
 
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The E430 is very hard on tire, it had 6 tires in 14x,xxx miles, none lasted more than 30k miles. The latest tire was Continental ExtremeContact DWS, tread depth is down to 3/32 after 26-27k miles and the tread life warranty is 50k miles.

I bought it from DTD and installed 2 at Walmart(WM didn't have the stick on balance trips) and 2 at America's Tire. The guy at America's Tire is trying to get prorate for my tires at $30-40 each, he said that I may be able to use pro-rate amount for any tire brand I like. So the final cost will be around $200 installed after rebates and pro-rated.

If the Kumho Ecsta 4X only lasted 20-25k miles then I will have it pro-rated for another set.
 
Please let us know in a few hundred miles how the Kumhos compare to the Contis in terms of handling, ride, and noise.
 
I sure will post the impression of the Kumho compares with the Continental.

The Continental was very quiet the first 5-6k miles then getting noisy after that, the noise got louder as the tread wears down. The handling/performance was good initially then deteriorateas the miles pile on. The previous tire was Falken FK-452, its handling/performance was better than the Continental on curvy roads and at higher speed(90+ MPH)

I think Kumho X4 is not a quiet soft riding tire, from the review it looks like a good handling/performance tire especially on wet road.
 
How often are you having this car aligned?

I've been aligning my car at least every 10k and my settings are pretty much perfect, and have had no abnormal tire wear at all. Perhaps you should consider aligning your car more frequently.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
...........I think Kumho X4 is not a quiet soft riding tire, from the review it looks like a good handling/performance tire especially on wet road.


Was the Kumho Ecsta LX Platinum not available in your size? It would be quieter and better riding than the 4x, and with longer tread warranty.
 
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Originally Posted By: The Critic
How often are you having this car aligned?

I've been aligning my car at least every 10k and my settings are pretty much perfect, and have had no abnormal tire wear at all. Perhaps you should consider aligning your car more frequently.

It was aligned once at dealer on the first free oil change. The tires wear out evenly on the rears and a little more on outside on the fronts.

With regular rotation all 4 tires wear out very even. I don't think it has alignment problem, the car tracks straight at 100+ MPH.

Originally Posted By: SubLGT
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
...........I think Kumho 4X is not a quiet soft riding tire, from the review it looks like a good handling/performance tire especially on wet road.

Was the Kumho Ecsta LX Platinum not available in your size? It would be quieter and better riding than the 4x, and with longer tread warranty.


Kumho Ecsta LX Platinum ranked fairly low on Tirerack.com category Grand Touring All-Season tires, it is lower than General Altimax HP. Kumho Ecsta ranked 4th on the Ultra High Performance All-Season tires, behind Bridgestone Potenza RE970AS, Continental ExtremeContact DWS and General G-MAX AS-03.
 
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