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What exactly dictates the numerical value on "high mileage"?

My 94 Chevy c-1500 has 208k miles on it so I can definitely believe the "high mileage" there.

Simply because I've never or have yet to see, a high mileage oil for 0w-20, what would you consider high mileage? Some bottles of oil state high mileage is for engines over 75k
 
a worn out power-train. To me "mileage" means little

The ones that are in very good mechanical condition, and run like new even with 200k+ miles, I would consider that low mileage.
 
I think 75k is considered half the vehicles expected life. Though I've had late 90s Nissans with way over 200k and they still ran and performed newer than my ex band new 2009 Malibu.
 
"Worn out power train" hmmmm never had one of those, usually the body goes before then. Or You're just plain bored of it.
 
Pennzoil and M1 both make High Mileage 5w20 oils. I'd use them if they carried them at my local Walmart. I'm at 223k and counting. Still runs great after 10 years.
 
Back in the day, when I first started driving and therefore buying / selling / wearing out vehicles, we made a distinction between the size and type of motor and the expected lifetime.

Big V-8's were expected to last longer than inline 4's, although there were not a lot of inline 4's available to buy. Inline 6's were considered more-or-less bulletproof ... GMC 194's, 230, 250's; any Chryco slant 6, the 300 Ford's, etc.

The smaller motors became more reliable as carbs were replaced with Fuel Injection, while the bigger motors became less reliable as they moved from cast iron to aluminum blocks. Early aluminum heads were iffy but that was figured out pretty quickly in most cases.

I've sent more than one vehicle to the wreckers with 200+K miles on the clock ... worn out completely, windows won't crank, seats showing springs, parts falling off and not being replaced, on their fourth fuel pump and fifth alternator ... but with perfectly purring auto transmissions and motors.

Carb-equipped vehicles were at the mercy of winter. Fuel Injection has almost single-handedly doubled or tripled the life of motors when sub-zero temps were the norm for half the vehicle's life. The wear at startup with the choke was severe (manual [early 1960's] or automatic [late 60's] chokes, you gave up easier starting for higher engine wear. Manual started easier but dumped more raw fuel into the cylinders, past the rings, and into the oil).

We used to peg the useful life at around 120,000 miles (180,000 Km). Today it's double that, under severe service, and often more.
 
I would say over 200k miles nowadays is high mileage and for some maybe 250k or even 300k for some vehicles. My step father has a 95 Avalon with 300k miles on it. Still runs really well. I'm hoping for over 250k plus on my Altima
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Originally Posted By: NavyVet88
Simply because I've never or have yet to see, a high mileage oil for 0w-20, what would you consider high mileage?


That could be because you want to slightly increase the viscosity at higher mileage.

If the engine has wear and some of the clearances are not as tight as they used to be increasing the visosity is not a bad idea.

Originally Posted By: zach1900
"Worn out power train" hmmmm never had one of those, usually the body goes before then. Or You're just plain bored of it.


My family used to buy used cars and we've gotten ones with badly worn engines that had massive oil burn.

BITOGers maintain their cars really well and they might run like new at 200k, but not everyone else does.

Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
The 75K as "high mileage" comes from the marketing department, not the engineering department.


I agree that 75k written on oil bottles is kinda ridiculous.

It also depends on where you live. In California where cars last a long time and people drive a lot I wouldn't consider 150k high mileage, but in Canada I probably would.
 
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You can't just put a number to it and say "this is high mileage, time for High Mileage oil". My Camry crossed over to 200k yesterday, only reason I'm running Pennzoil High Mileage is because I got it free.
 
Originally Posted By: Johnny2Bad
Back in the day, when I first started driving and therefore buying / selling / wearing out vehicles, we made a distinction between the size and type of motor and the expected lifetime.

Big V-8's were expected to last longer than inline 4's, although there were not a lot of inline 4's available to buy. Inline 6's were considered more-or-less bulletproof


Same here. Huge domestic V8's were indestructible,while the domestic 4 cyl would be knocking,smoking,and worn out in no time. The only 4 cyl engines that would last forever seemed to be the Japanese ones. Back then there were no Japanese V8's that I knew of.
 
As far as switching up oils, I use 100K miles as my change-over point. Could go a little either way. It's partly about wear, and partly about deposits. At 100K most of my conventional motors get a timing chain. Then I see what the insides are like...

If clean, I'll go longer as is on oil. If getting deposits and varnish, I'll switch up the HEDO's for the extra detergency. Compression testing will tell me about rings... I'll hit it with Break-Free (gun solvent) Through the plug hole to loosen the top ring and see how it runs... Deal with issues from there ...

In warranty, they all get whatever the owners manual calls for...

I have three vehicles in the back yard with over 140K and one with over 212K and all running well and passing smog in CA
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When an engine is leaking oil from all over and doesn't run as well as it use to, that's high mileage.
 
Originally Posted By: zach1900
"Worn out power train" hmmmm never had one of those, usually the body goes before then. Or You're just plain bored of it.


Purchased a 1999 F250 a couple years ago that had a worn out powertrain, well engine anyways since the trans seemed to shift fine. Of course it was the 5.4L in a 3/4 ton with a 5th wheel attachment and slightly oversized A/T's. Bodywork wasn't perfect with some michigan rust but overall pretty good. Engine was a DOG though, had to floor it just to keep up with normal traffic and of course that meant single digit mpg's. Some of it was the small engine for the chassis since in 1999 the 5.4L in SD's was NPI still but it just felt weaker than it should and I also suspect the odometer had approx 90k miles in fraud...
 
What is the purpose of this question? The question is worse than "what is the best oil?" There is no arbitrary number that defines "high-mileage." Even if we all agreed that after 90,000 miles, a car should be considered high-mileage, it would still not help a person decide what maintenance to do next or whether to buy that car, versus one with 80,000 miles, or one with 110,000 miles.

Cars have variable lifetimes. Good maintenance helps cars go longer, and some cars do better than others. One true statement from the comments (amid [censored] like V8 engines got less durable when they went from iron to aluminum blocks) is that many, many cars will fall apart around their powertrains. The other truth is that at some point many owners start to delay fixing minor bodywork, interior rips and the like. That is when a car starts circling the drain,
 
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