Here's what I do to HPL oil

Great 3 day weekend at VIR! Knocked some time off my PB, finally into the 2:16s and optimal on the Garmin Catalyst shows 2:14. WAY down on power b/c it was hot, Vmax on straights was lower by 5-10mph vs. cooler temps. In terms of the car/oil:

I did have some minor consumption but new "MK8 PCV full-retrofit" worked perfectly with the turbo-driven venturi and I had no smoking.

Oil temps peaked around 282, coolant 240, and DSG/trans 265. I have some logs I'll post links to below. Without a divorced oil cooler system, this is just reality in a car like this. Just had to take some cool down laps/run the heat. Did get the "engine overheating" flash on the dash - also noted that the coolant dummy gauge that sits at 200 won't move north of that until coolant is 235 (I was logging OBDII data/had it up on my phone as a series of gauges) so it moves to 235 then continues to move as you get hotter and at 240 it tells you are overheating.

Had a few codes. A few were normal after it's been beat on/very hot - turbo wastegate and the shifter not thinking its in park. Clear/drive/never see these except for track and it's funny, the turbo one is only after coming in/cooling down. Did have an AC one -clearly from when I was running the defrost...didnt realize it automatically cycles the compressor even with teh AC button off! I have a log showing it..funny...it's a log of intake air temps...they spike when I turned it on/overheated b/c the condesor start pouring hot air through the intercooler reducing it's efficiency. Whoops....should have done regular heat/floor vents. Finally, an oil pressure one. Interesting but these VWs have a variable oil pump so a high and low pressure setting. I *think* what happened was I would come in, oil pump goes to low pressure mode, oil is super thin b/c it was so hot, and it thinks there is a pressure issue. Never seen that one before.

Finally, summer vs. winter blend fuels - the difference is very real. I logged a few of my sessions and vs. logs last Dec, much less knock/timing correction in hotter conditions being driven harder on the same E ~22% blend...I could have probably run straight 93.

Best lap:


Temp log:
https://datazap.me/u/karstgeo72/vir-temp-log-0?log=0&data=1-3-4-5

Knock log:
https://datazap.me/u/karstgeo72/vir-knock-log-0?log=0&data=2-4-5-6-7

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Update. New oil pressure regualtor valve ordered...code is persistent.
As a fan of VW/Audi cars, I enjoy reading your posts about the Sportwagen.

Hopefully the oil pump pressure regulator valve is the fix, and the low oil pressure readings are not due to worn/loose bearings (or spun), or other mechanical issues.

Might it be time to use HPL 5W-50 Supercar on hot track days?
 
Is there any sort of LSD in the transaxle transmission? I do know transaxles can get hot like that but I was running 75W-90 then and DCT fluid is a lot thinner I would think? Is the DSG linked to the cooling system?
 
As a fan of VW/Audi cars, I enjoy reading your posts about the Sportwagen.

Hopefully the oil pump pressure regulator valve is the fix, and the low oil pressure readings are not due to worn/loose bearings (or spun), or other mechanical issues.

Might it be time to use HPL 5W-50 Supercar on hot track days?
I'm quite sure it's the regulator - that's what the persistent code is for. Part ordered so will report back. Car runs perfectly and anything serious would have an active CEL/EPC.

5W40 is fine I'd say but we'll see how it looks when I pull a sample in the next few mos.
 
Is there any sort of LSD in the transaxle transmission? I do know transaxles can get hot like that but I was running 75W-90 then and DCT fluid is a lot thinner I would think? Is the DSG linked to the cooling system?
No LSD in this one, love to have one in front (and rear!). Front bevel box is a standard 75W90, use Redline MT90. DSG fluid is changed annually at this point and yes, it's connected via a heat exchanger to the cooling system. Ideally, both oil and DSG would be divorced but this is a daily driven street car and there are downsides to doing that mainly not getting things adequately to temp in winter/short trips.
 
I'm quite sure it's the regulator - that's what the persistent code is for. Part ordered so will report back. Car runs perfectly and anything serious would have an active CEL/EPC.

5W40 is fine I'd say but we'll see how it looks when I pull a sample in the next few mos.
Glad to read you’re highly confident.
 
@TiGeo

This is a great thread, nice slug bug.

This to me is real data, where the metal meets the meat so to speak in application, in real time, real world conditions. I have done similar things while towing heavy, but never documented it.
 
@TiGeo

This is a great thread, nice slug bug.

This to me is real data, where the metal meets the meat so to speak in application, in real time, real world conditions. I have done similar things while towing heavy, but never documented it.
Yep. Most of this forum is folks daily driving basic cars with v. little stress placed on the engine...good to see what it looks like on the other end of the spectrum too.
 
Since you abuse the car the right way, what is the coldest temp the oil runs at?

Reason I ask is because when my oil temps start going above 215F its time to dump the oil in my experience
In my BMW i can start going WOT after 150F but I don't like to see it above 220F after having some good fun.
I've noticed when the oil starts getting above 215F its usually due to the 6-7k mark when I change them, but this time using Repsol its showing 205-220F around 2k mile mark.
 
Since you abuse the car the right way, what is the coldest temp the oil runs at?

Reason I ask is because when my oil temps start going above 215F its time to dump the oil in my experience
In my BMW i can start going WOT after 150F but I don't like to see it above 220F after having some good fun.
I've noticed when the oil starts getting above 215F its usually due to the 6-7k mark when I change them, but this time using Repsol its showing 205-220F around 2k mile mark.
Not sure what your question is here - "coldest temp it runs at"? I mean, normal day-to-day driving will see anywhere from 200-225 depending on RPM so cooler around town and higher on the highway with some influence from ambient temps.

Dump your oil if it gets above 215? Are you serious? The length of time your oil has been in service is not related to your oil temps. The HTHS testing for oil is done at 305 deg F, your oil is just fine at 215 or 220, again, that's normal oil operating temps for my car. I can go to the mountains and hoon my car and see 240+ easily.
 
Fresh change with HPL Euro 5W40. Mann filter. Summit Point Shenandoah WV. Highest oil temp I saw was 270 but last session it was hotter out (70s) and I thought I was driving harder and only saw 258...I haven't downloaded my logs yet but either way...no oil consumption (thanks OEM VW/Audi PCV!) and as usual, car was perfect.



Some fun off teh Ski Jump before the carousel on the bridge straight. Watch the speedo jump up from 105 to 120 as one/both of the front wheels get off the ground momentarily...WEEEEEEEE!



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Everyone's moving to lower viscosity oils for "racing". Why give up the free torque, HP, & MPG?
 
Not sure what your question is here - "coldest temp it runs at"? I mean, normal day-to-day driving will see anywhere from 200-225 depending on RPM so cooler around town and higher on the highway with some influence from ambient temps.

Dump your oil if it gets above 215? Are you serious? The length of time your oil has been in service is not related to your oil temps. The HTHS testing for oil is done at 305 deg F, your oil is just fine at 215 or 220, again, that's normal oil operating temps for my car. I can go to the mountains and hoon my car and see 240+ easily.
Yes in my case, because the BMW in the inline six run cooler oil temps all the time even in cruising efficient mode. So when you're use to seeing your oil temps at 180-190F max then all of a sudden starts crossing the 215F mark, I had a bad history when my V8 TT 2018 BMW M5 use to run at 230 then start crawling to 250-260F
 
Yes in my case, because the BMW in the inline six run cooler oil temps all the time even in cruising efficient mode. So when you're use to seeing your oil temps at 180-190F max then all of a sudden starts crossing the 215F mark, I had a bad history when my V8 TT 2018 BMW M5 use to run at 230 then start crawling to 250-260F
What do you mean by "crawling"? Again, those temps are really not an issue regardless of the engine or car.
 
What do you mean by "crawling"? Again, those temps are really not an issue regardless of the engine or car.
For us "tuned" modern bmw engines, the talk and mechanics suggest running a 5w40 for longevity of the motor/parts/seals/pistons/rings etc instead of running a 0w20 which tend to run hotter (better for MPG) as an example. A lot of ppl over the years in the community have turned from 260F oil temps to 200F oil temps and having a better responsive and less wear/tear engine.
 
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