Hemi MDS only works on 5w30. Not true

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Originally Posted By: Johnny248
I'm only as correct as the factory service manual
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love having access to DealerConnect


Pretty cool isn't it. I should talk my son into giving me his username and password.
 
Originally Posted By: Bookmaker
Check out page 41 of the Maintenance Guide for the Charger Pursuit (Police). It says that Mobil 1 10w30 is optional for the 5.7L Hemi. The Hemi in the Pursuit uses MDS.

https://www.fleet.chrysler.com/v7fleet/StaticFiles/files/Police_Maintenance_Overview_Book.pdf
I have been running Pennzoil Ultra 5w30 in my Challenger with no MDS issues.


Then that pretty much debunks the myth that 5W30 is going to ruin the MSDS system, or even have an effect on how it operates.
 
Originally Posted By: Johnny248
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Nope, not there.

It's easy to see it as it has coolant hoses going to the 'sandwich' cooler at the oil filter mount.

I suspect you may be correct, a lot of folks get all excited over the PSF cooler...


Do you think it is worth installing one??


Personally i don't like the Rube Goldberg complexity of the thing with multiple points of failure added to BOTH the cooling system and the oiling system.

A nice flat plate cooler up front and a sandwich adapter is very simple to install.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8


A nice flat plate cooler up front and a sandwich adapter is very simple to install.

And works very well too.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: Johnny248
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Nope, not there.

It's easy to see it as it has coolant hoses going to the 'sandwich' cooler at the oil filter mount.

I suspect you may be correct, a lot of folks get all excited over the PSF cooler...


Do you think it is worth installing one??


Personally i don't like the Rube Goldberg complexity of the thing with multiple points of failure added to BOTH the cooling system and the oiling system.

A nice flat plate cooler up front and a sandwich adapter is very simple to install.


That's what I was thinking about installing, I just don't know if the truck really needs and added oil cooling?
 
Likely not unless you tow or race it on the salt flats.

Note that I had lunch with SRT development team at a track event in 05 and they said their testing said 300 degrees oil temp didn't result in any oil related damage of any kind.

Subsequent email to Mobil said the same thing. You must know actual temps and pressures in order to make an informed decision...
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Likely not unless you tow or race it on the salt flats.

Note that I had lunch with SRT development team at a track event in 05 and they said their testing said 300 degrees oil temp didn't result in any oil related damage of any kind.

Subsequent email to Mobil said the same thing. You must know actual temps and pressures in order to make an informed decision...


Wow, 300 degrees? Never seen any oil that hot. I don't monitor mine all the time butnl when I look at it, I don't think I've ever seen it over 200deg and my oil pressure seems to stick around 52 psi while driving
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8


Personally i don't like the Rube Goldberg complexity of the thing with multiple points of failure added to BOTH the cooling system and the oiling system.

A nice flat plate cooler up front and a sandwich adapter is very simple to install.


I think the factory likes the oil-to-water heat exchange because the water actually heats the oil under mild driving conditions, helping to make the engine temp more uniform and get the oil up to working temp more quickly. Reverse-flow cooling ala GM LSx engines evens the block/head temperature, so does use of a return-side thermostat and high bypass flow rate that Ford and Chrysler both use now. But neither of those alone gets the oil up to operating temp quickly under light loading. An oil-to-coolant heat exchanger lets the coolant heat the oil under light loading, and lets the oil shed heat to the coolant under heavy loading. The things that struck me most about my SRT-8 oil temp when I first got the are are: a) its pretty high all the time- always over 220F, and b) its very constant, rarely swinging more than 10 degrees F between light cruising in cold weather to hard driving in hot weather. The highest I've seen for more than a few minutes at a time is 235F (but I haven't tracked the car yet ;-). The lowest I've ever seen sustained is about 215F in moderate cruising last winter.

IMO the factory cooler design does a decent job of minimizing failure points for the oil side by not routing any oil through flexible hoses. The coolant comes to the "sandwich" heat exchanger at the oil filter base, the oil never leaves it. In contrast, a plate cooler runs high pressure oil through flexible hoses out to the front of the car and back.

The factory layout does add complexity for the coolant- two more rubber hoses to bring coolant over to the oil filter base and then return it to the water pump. And there's the (unlikely) possibility of cross-contamination if the cooler fails.
 
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