Helping Syrian Refugees: Rich Gulf Countries???

[ExMachina]

Not political, just a humanitarian question: What is keeping the oil-rich Persian Gulf countries from helping, housing, welcoming Syrian people fleeing pain due to genocide/war ?
I've been trying to understand the logical humanitarian reasons (don't make this political, just a reasonable discussion about what keeps them from spending their vast amounts of wealth on helping their fellow neighbors, not political).

 

[ExMachina]

Remember, lets keep this discussion about the cultural humanitarian barriers, not a discussion about whether the world should be ruled by al-Assad and/or ISIS, as that discussion doesn't belong here, and we are only concerned about exploring the cultural views.

 

[GiveMeAVowel]

I'll tell you one thing, Europe should not take ANY of these
refugees as they didn't cause the collapse of Syria, Iraq, ect, that was done by the US military acting as a proxy for israel.

 

[Andrew1972]

I think Saudi and the other rich Arab countries send massive amount of money to refugees. However in places like Kuwait, Quatar and other real rich countries foreigners outnumber the citizens so they only issue temporary visas nothing permanent.

The aunt/uncle are Syrian refugees that luckily settled into France a year ago. They lived very well in Syria. However a there 10 story building turned into 7 stories after an errant shell hit it. Fortunately they lived on 2nd floor and left right away. Money is worthless outside there and pension gone they are fortunate to live settle in France. He has a French physician license/education but over 55 Dr's retire so having issues seeking employment.

Sad stuff. My grandmother I'll likely never see remains.

 

[SteveSRT8]

The sad thing is these folks simply must be taken in somewhere. Otherwise they likely die.

Since European countries are there, guess where they are going?

 

[CourierDriver]

Great Britain , bless their hearts took in a large amount of unnamed people and look at the mess they are in now. The world is changing the whole demographic structure over night and it will come back to haunt us, wait and see, it will not be a pretty picture, oh yea, Mary Poppins, she left town , a long time ago, just saying...

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
The sad thing is these folks simply must be taken in somewhere. Otherwise they likely die.

Since European countries are there, guess where they are going?

There ate 7.3 Billion people in a world than can only sustain half that in comfort. As people keep over breeding there are no happy solutions. The choice may be to die where you are or die fleeing.

Of course the obvious answer is for these people to change their country but don't expect that anytime soon.

75,000 impoverished people die every day. A good percentage because of the conditions. You don't see that in the headlines.

 

[GiveMeAVowel]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
The sad thing is these folks simply must be taken in somewhere. Otherwise they likely die.

Since European countries are there, guess where they are going?


Let them be taken by the ones that caused the destruction of Syria, Iraq, Libya, ect..the USA and israel.

I wonder why isn't israel taking them, after all it is SO close by to that area. Seems like they are hypocrites.

 

[ExMachina]

Originally Posted By: madRiver
I think Saudi and the other rich Arab countries send massive amount of money to refugees. However in places like Kuwait, Quatar and other real rich countries foreigners outnumber the citizens so they only issue temporary visas nothing permanent.


I guess thats the best answer I've ever heard. Sure the Gulf states have $$$, yet they also have acreage, or they are good at building artificial islands to "house" people, for real, the two below are near Dubai and Bahrain, all fellow Arabs to the Syrians:

 

[shDK]

First off all it is very hard for this not getting political.

I live in Denmark at the top og mainland western Europe. We are getting refugees aswell as the rest of Europe.

All refugees witch life is in danger must be provided smelter, food and a decent living. But it is important to remember that they are refugees and not immigrants.Therefore when things have stabilized, they must return.

My own country as most other western european countries have for some times bin facing the troubles caused by massive imigration from the middle east and north africa. Extremely high crime rates, only 1/5 work. Those are only a couple of example.

Europe simple cannot integrate that high numbers of immigrants from the middle east. Countries will collaps. I personally i feel no responsebility for the Syrien was.

I know some will see me as the dewil in person for saying that. But is true.

 

[ExMachina]

Without assigning blame for the Syrian refugee crisis, whether its the violent ISIS gangs, the oppressive al-Assad regime, or the fault of the U.S. for trying to go into the region and establish proper human rights & education over a long period of time, Lets concentrate on just what is keeping Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, and UAE from taking more than ZERO refugees. Nothing political, only understanding and solutions.

 

[CT8]

Just like the U.S.A. is doing . Allowing all the illegal aliens into the countries is a sure way to lower a the [middle class] into a third world level which is the new world order. The oil rich countries don'e want to lower their countries level of prosperity.

 

[GiveMeAVowel]

Lets remember that like Al Qaeda and ISIS
(israel secret intelligence service) most of these extremist groups were funded in part by the CIA and Mossad.
The US and Israel must take responsibility for their actions which have led to the destabilization of those countries which now are in tatters.

 

[ExMachina]

Originally Posted By: shDK
I live in Denmark at the top og mainland western Europe. We are getting refugees aswell as the rest of Europe.

Given the dangers of the added crime/terrorism from an influx of angry muslims from Syria into the "devil" western countries, as some call them, it seems as if the rich Gulf arabs could better assimilate them long term into their culture. Yet, the refugee numbers going to them is zero. Wonder if a breakthrough can be made? What would it take to get them to accept their own Arab brothers and sisters?

 

[Benito]

What is stupid about this is that there was ample opportunity to prepare for this problem.

Kudos to Germany and a couple of other countries for stepping up to do the right thing from a moral point of view.

Now why wouldn't Saudi Arabia handle refugees? Multiple reasons I suspect. They are greedy and don't want to spend the money. They don't care about the welfare of their fellow Arabs. They don't have the actual ability to set up and administer refugees - remember that they are only rich because of oil wealth. They are also one of the most strict countries when it comes to religion and most likely many of these refugees would not fit in witih that. They also have an unhappy population with many who are more extreme than the government so this would further upset that issue.

As to UAE, Qatar and Kuwait, they are tiny.

Everybody knows that Europeans are going to treat them far far better than their fellow Arab countries and that Europeans will be more able to provide livable conditions for them.

 

[Benito]

Also, I wonder why we couldn't send a million refugees to this place:

http://gizmodo.com/welcome-to-the-worlds-largest-ghost-city-ordos-china-1541512511

Secure the city and let them become teachers, doctors, business people etc. Live a somewhat normal life in the hope that one day they can return home.

 

[GiveMeAVowel]

Originally Posted By: Benito
Also, I wonder why we couldn't send a million refugees to this place:

http://gizmodo.com/welcome-to-the-worlds-largest-ghost-city-ordos-china-1541512511


Now there is a reasonable idea!

Except the Chinese are not stupid, they don't want a future problem on their hands do they?

You can bet that Europe will soon be,( and is already half way there), a steaming cesspool of despair, crime, violence, and poverty.

Most of you here don't realize that Europe is a collection of
"nations" not like the US where in the past 120 years they decided to flood the place with all manner of people, they are not
polyglots and from the US experience we can see what that will eventually lead to.

Actually the US was NEVER supposed to be such a polyglot either.
Read the Preamble of the US Constitution and understand why.

 

[CT8]

Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: Benito
Also, I wonder why we couldn't send a million refugees to this place:

http://gizmodo.com/welcome-to-the-worlds-largest-ghost-city-ordos-china-1541512511


Now there is a reasonable idea!

Except the Chinese are not stupid, they don't want a future problem on their hands do they?

You can bet that Europe will soon be,( and is already half way there), a steaming cesspool of despair, crime, violence, and poverty.

Most of you here don't realize that Europe is a collection of
"nations" not like the US where in the past 120 years they decided to flood the place with all manner of people, they are not
polyglots and from the US experience we can see what that will eventually lead to.

Actually the US was NEVER supposed to be such a polyglot either.
Read the Preamble of the US Constitution and understand why.
It is happening in these United State as well. The illegal aliens are sucking at the taxpayers teat till it is sucked dry.

 

[CT8]

Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Not political, just a humanitarian question: What is keeping the oil-rich Persian Gulf countries from helping, housing, welcoming Syrian people fleeing pain due to genocide/war ?
I've been trying to understand the logical humanitarian reasons (don't make this political, just a reasonable discussion about what keeps them from spending their vast amounts of wealth on helping their fellow neighbors, not political).

The Arabs are too smart.

 

[01rangerxl]

Originally Posted By: madRiver
I think Saudi and the other rich Arab countries send massive amount of money to refugees. However in places like Kuwait, Quatar and other real rich countries foreigners outnumber the citizens so they only issue temporary visas nothing permanent.



Money is great, but it seems like logistics may be the bigger issue at this point. The refugees or their families are paying the smugglers, so they have some money, but limited safe places to go and the journey is dangerous.

It does seem like Europe has been sort of shamed into accepting responsibility for dealing with the influx of refugees on their own. Sending money is easy compared to actually providing housing and infrastructure. A lot of Middle Eastern countries are well equipped to build things quickly and on a large scale. If they can build indoor ski slopes, I think they can throw up some housing for refugees and do something to help. Instead the whole thing gets thrown on Europe because they have more progressive governments willing to accept refugees.

Sorry to hear your relatives have been caught up in this mess.