Havoline Life Long 0W-20

[ATex7239]

The VOA comparison between Valvoline EP and Havoline look like the same add pack within the error rate of BS reports.

1) He isn’t qualified to do that.
2) Not all additives show up in a simple VOA.
3) VOAs are good at showing initial concentrations, oxidation, viscosity etc, to compare to a subsequent UOA. Not product to product comparisons of add packs. There just isn’t enough info to say what’s what definitively.

 

[Gilitar]

Havoline pro-ds is their higher end oil,the lifelong is a bit lower tier,,the pro-ds is a real good oil ,but a bit hard to find in 5 qt jugs and quarts.

It's almost impossible to find at this point. Chevron is struggling from what I hear... I wonder if Havoline is being phased out!?

 

[Dave Hess]

I bought about 50 quarts of Havoline Syn.

Great oil that has zero love from consumers.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

It's almost impossible to find at this point. Chevron is struggling from what I hear... I wonder if Havoline is being phased out!?

Quite the opposite. They're about to ramp up.

 

[SC Maintenance]

It's almost impossible to find at this point. Chevron is struggling from what I hear... I wonder if Havoline is being phased out!?

Chevron is struggling? Or their retail oil side is struggling. The latter I have no idea on. The former - they reported a $2.4 Billion profit in Q3 alone, so I don't think that is struggling.

I like Chevron products, but they seem not to spend much time marketing / distributing them at retail - not like BP or XOM. I would buy a Chevron product long before I buy Warren / supertech, although I am sure Warren is fine also. I would also rather buy from a US based Chevron than a Saudi based Valvoline or British based Quaker state. But I have used all those brands over the years without issue.

 

[Dave Hess]

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/st...nding-announces-job-cuts-giqWm4lRhl4XDmoPDxvd

Lots of companies cutting jobs and costs.

 

[Gilitar]

Chevron is struggling? Or their retail oil side is struggling. The latter I have no idea on. The former - they reported a $2.4 Billion profit in Q3 alone, so I don't think that is struggling.

I like Chevron products, but they seem not to spend much time marketing / distributing them at retail - not like BP or XOM. I would buy a Chevron product long before I buy Warren / supertech, although I am sure Warren is fine also. I would also rather buy from a US based Chevron than a Saudi based Valvoline or British based Quaker state. But I have used all those brands over the years without issue.

British based Quaker State? While I do understand that the parent company is based out of London, QS is a US based brand out of Houston, TX. Lets just be honest about things for just a moment... all these ginormous companies are global. Shell has a headquarters in Houston, TX. They make the products and employee lots of people right here in this country... that's what really matters to me.

 

[Gilitar]

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/st...nding-announces-job-cuts-giqWm4lRhl4XDmoPDxvd

Lots of companies cutting jobs and costs.

Chevron is based out of California and thereby has a "unique series of challenges" as would be expected.

 

[Artem]

Havoline pro-ds is their higher end oil,the lifelong is a bit lower tier,,the pro-ds is a real good oil ,but a bit hard to find in 5 qt jugs and quarts.

Havoline PRO-RS is their higher end oil.
Havoline PRO-DS is the Lifelong oil.

Just correcting “fake news” on the internet.

 

[Glenda W.]

Pro DS Lifelong is a Walmart exclusive(seal conditioners for all mileages). Outside Walmart it is just Pro DS and Pro DS High Mileage.

https://www.chevronlubricants.com/e...tects-both-new-and-high-mileage-vehicles.html

 

[SimpleSyrup]

Pro DS Lifelong is a Walmart exclusive(seal conditioners for all mileages). Outside Walmart it is just Pro DS and Pro DS High Mileage.

https://www.chevronlubricants.com/e...tects-both-new-and-high-mileage-vehicles.html

They certainly don't make it easy.

Synthetic blend
Synthetic techonology
Synthetic blend high mileage
High mileage synthetic technology
Lifelong Full Synthetic

This thread was helpful in highlighting how unhelpful Havoline support was:

Thread 'Havoline's Synthetic Technology. How it differs from Synthetic Blend? (chat tech line)'

Oct 13, 2020

I have seen the term, "synthetic technology" on German lubricant sites but not here. So i asked "Susan" on the Havoline Technical questions chat line what the difference is between it and the "Synthetic Blend"....

Added 5 min after above:
I also left them a voice message with the same questions and the Lubricants Tech Support employee advised that the difference between the ST and FS is "significantly less" than that of the SB and the ST oils. All other information is proprietary.

• wemay
• Replies: 13
• Forum: Passenger Car Motor Oil (PCMO) - Gasoline Vehicles

Some speculation on what "synthetic technology" means:

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Post in thread 'Havoline Synthetic Technology'

Oct 28, 2022

ISOSYN is just their term for high-quality group II+ hydrocracked base oil; Pennzoil used to call it ‘purebase’

• addyguy

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Finally, the typically vague marketing:
https://www.chevronlubricants.com/c...al/all-other/Havoline_GF-6_GoodBetterBest.pdf

Vanilla Havoline < Synthetic Blend < Synthetic tech < Full synthetic

Data sheet for Synthetic tech 5w-20 / 5w-30:
https://cglapps.chevron.com/msdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=608112&docFormat=PDF

Data sheet for full synthetic line:
https://cglapps.chevron.com/sdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=653399&docFormat=PDF

Seems like they just threw a bunch of ancient certifications on there to make it look like the full synthetic is a most betterer oil.