Havoline 5w20 -vs- Chevron 5w20... Same?

[Ray H]

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Originally posted by Winston:
Ray, I don't think you can make a good arguement by saying; they are the same company so the ad pack is the same. Just like Mobil has Mobil 5000 and Mobil 7500, you can clearly see that the ad pack is a bit different in the VOA's. The ad pack for the 7500 is beefed up a bit. It could be the same for Chevron vs Havoline.

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Hi, Winston, I'll give your silly objection exactly the consideration it deserves: PHHhhht! Aren't you comparing apples and oranges in your analogy? Mobil 7500 is intended by labeling description and published specs to be a step up from Mobil 5000. The two Chevron products under consideration are directly interchangeable according to their respective published product data sheets and labeling. I went to the trouble to search and tabulate the two Chevron products' performance stats in an easy-to-peruse format from information freely available online and you still accuse me of mistating my position? I rebut your ill thought-out accusation in its entirety, good Sir. (rebut, rebut, rebut...)

(Dueling paintball pistols at dawn on Patman's front lawn, Bud. Be there or be square!

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[drums57]

Havoline is slightly enhanced in the area of anti-wear and detergent, both are outstanding products that far exceed API SM and ILSAC GF-4. Also if tested for would exceed some of the European standards that are talked about so much on this site.

 

[Winston]

Ray, I can never tell if your are really sensitive when I question your authority, or if you are being sarcastic.

Anyway, you have drawn your sword so I will attempt to deflect your blows.

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I rebut your ill thought-out accusation in its entirety, good Sir.

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I do not know as much as you do about oil, but but my accusation was not "ill thought-out." Would differing amounts of moly and/or boron and/or "cleaning agents" show up in the specifications that you listed? Here are the specs for M5000 and M7500 in a nice easy to read format. Can you tell from these specs that M7500 has "18 percent more cleaning agents than M5000" as claimed by Mobil? Or that M7500 has more moly and boron than M5000, which we have seen in their respective VOA's?

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Clean 7500 Clean 5000

5W-30 5W-30

API Class SM/CF SM/CF

Gravity, API 32.6 32.6

Spec. Gr. 0.862 0.862

Pour Pt, °C (°F)-42 (-44) -33 (-27)

Flash Pt, °C (°F),

ASTM D 92 200 (392) 200 (392)

Viscosity

cSt at 40°C 62.5 62.2

cSt at 100°C 10.6 10.6

CCS, cP 5950 @ -30°C 5940@ -30°C

MRV, cP 17,400 @ -35°C 20900@ -35°C

Viscosity Index 160 161

Energy Conserving Yes Yes

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I agree that the base oils are probably the same for Chevron and Havoline, just not necessarily the add packs(maybe they are, I just dont know). We need a good VOA of Chevron SM.

As far as the labling arguement, that is not a very strong arguement. All companies market things their own way. Just because Mobil defines the difference between two oils, does not meant he Chevron has to.

All in the spirit of BITOG.

[ November 02, 2005, 02:16 PM: Message edited by: Winston ]

 

[T-Keith]

"Havoline is slightly enhanced in the area of anti-wear and detergent, both are outstanding products that far exceed API SM and ILSAC GF-4. Also if tested for would exceed some of the European standards that are talked about so much on this site."

Can I ask your background? I tend to believe what your saying, but I don't know where it's coming from.

 

[1bioguy]

Less Filling! Tatstes Great!! Less Filling!! Tastes Great!!

 

[MarkC]

Straight from Chevron's LubeTek Call center:

The Chevron Supreme and the Texaco Havoline are
comparable
oils but different formulations. The Havoline oils do have
a slightly
more robust additive package, compared to the Chevron
Supreme.

 

[Ray H]

Winston, my response was more in the spirit of whimsical mock-sarcasm masking an overly sensitive nature born of a terminal inferiority complex as a demented little waif in my misspent youth...

 

[BigOil]

This is correct...

"The Chevron Supreme and the Texaco Havoline are comparable oils but different formulations. The Havoline oils do have a slightly more robust additive package, compared to the Chevron Supreme."

The Havoline will always be a bit more "premium" (my words).

If I could not get Havoline (my personal first choice), I would use Chevron Supreme PCMO confidently --- see the stuff on this board. Folks ouside of the sunbelt might have a hard time finding Chevron brands at retail. In truckstops and industrial plants, it's a common brand all over the USA...

 

[T-Keith]

I don't think that price is any proof of a better product.

 

[sdude2k2000]

Quote from T-Keith: "I don't think that price is any proof of a better product."

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I completely agree. Havoline may be the product with more brand recognition (i.e. LG over Zenith), thus the price for the more recognized is higher. It doesn't mean their products differ very much however... if at all.

 

[Winston]

I did not say it was "proof", I said it was "evidence". Just like M7500 is 25 cents more per quart than M5000.

 

[buster]

The products are slightly different, lets get over it.

 

[Winston]

One last tidbit. At my local Chevron station, Chevron Supreme is $1.99 and the Havoline is $2.19 a quart. A little bit more evidence that the Havoline is a bit more robust. I must admit, I thought they were the same formulation until this thread developed.

 

[sdude2k2000]

But HOW slightly?

 

[Triple_Se7en]

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But HOW slightly

Are you just tuning in here? Haven't you read this thread that contains the consensus that Havoline has slightly more additives than Chevron in 5/10W-20/30??????

I would rate "slightly" as being roughly 0.5K in miles.... insignificant to most folks -- but not to Chevron Inc who has to price each oil accordingly.

Supposedly, Conoco uses the same oil for $1 Trop Artic -- $1.60 Kendall and $2.20 Motorcraft. But if you believe that really happens, then I got alot of fairy tales I would like to tell you someday as being absolutely true.

 

[sdude2k2000]

Hey muffin, I was the creator of this thread

 

[vwoom]

I think Supreme & Havoline are pretty much identical, the same oil/additives..ChevTex can charge more on Havoline(it's premium brand). Compared to Supreme, it has a longer history in the pcmo market, name brand equity if you will...

 

[buster]

Once we get a VOA we'll know. I havn't seen any Chevron yet with 490ppm of Moly and I do trust CVX. Call me naive.

 

[T-Keith]

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But HOW slightly?

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REALLY slightly.