Harley Behaviors

[grampi]

cfromc

I told you I'd post the parts content numbers IF I could find them again. So far I haven't been able to. I suppose I could post a link for the thread discussion where I also saw some numbers posted, but I'm sure you wouldn't accept what's posted there since it's posted in a Victory forum.

As far as running the bikes goes, I'll run you any way you want, 1/4 mile, top speed, top gear roll-on, whatever. It doesn't matter, you're gonna get spanked. Since you've obviously never squared off against a 109, I'll give you a little insight about what you'll be up against. A friend of mine in MI has this Harley custom thing he built. Actually the engine is probably an S&S or something like that, but it's 131 cubic inches and it's a torque monster. 1/8 mile is no contest, he's got me by a good 4 bike lengths because he makes so much more bottom-end torque, but after that it's all 109. 1/4 mile I'll take him by 4-5 bikes. Top speed, no contest. I can go faster in fourth gear than he can flat out in high gear. HP wise he's pushing about 120, and torque he's making about 130....in other words he making A LOT more power than you're making.

 

[BigCahuna]

Aside from speed and sportbike handling, what other points are worth mentioning about the m109?. Resale can't be mentioned as they won't be making it anymore due to lack of sales and demand. Looks like it was just another limited production bike destined to be rolled out behind the garage along side the vtx, and all those other priceless metric"classics" waiting to be parted out to the lucky people that thought it would be here forever, or for at least 10 year production run.,,

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: BigCahuna
Aside from speed and sportbike handling, what other points are worth mentioning about the m109?. Resale can't be mentioned as they won't be making it anymore due to lack of sales and demand. Looks like it was just another limited production bike destined to be rolled out behind the garage along side the vtx, and all those other priceless metric"classics" waiting to be parted out to the lucky people that thought it would be here forever, or for at least 10 year production run.,,


Better check your sources. Suzuki's only cutting production for the 2010 model year. The 109 will be back for 2011. Besides, Harley's sales numbers were down more than any of the other brands for 2009. Resale can't be mentioned because it's not a consideration when buying a motorcycle. What kind of an idiot buys a motorcycle based on its projected resale value? I suppose if you do, maybe that's why you keep ending up with a couch on wheels.

 

[BigCahuna]

Don't get all excited grampi, you must be exhausted spending all your life here defending one of the least desirable motorcycles made, that you won't be able to buy in 2011. Resale can be mentioned as when checked on ebay you can gauge how little the m109 abscdefr9x, or whatever number their up to now is worth. It's pretty pitiful. But feel too bad maybe you can part it out and get almost half what you paid. And it's not "HOT NEWS" that metric bikes are faster then Harley's it's been that way since the 60's. But somehow people that care about tradition and buying American haven't been persuaded to sell out like you. It won't take long for your rocket bike to feel old and boring then what? Gonna buy another flash in the pan? The truth is you won't have to worry about resale with that bike, because there won't be ANY. Before you came here to talk out your [censored] about motorcycles you should have done your homework. The more you post here the stupider you sound.

 

[bigbird_1]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Suzuki's only cutting production for the 2010 model year. The 109 will be back for 2011.


In Canada we have 2 models of the 2010 Suzuki M109 available.

Link: http://moto.suzuki.ca/Product Lines/Cycles.aspx

 

[o2man98]

Originally Posted By: grampi
cfromc

I told you I'd post the parts content numbers IF I could find them again. So far I haven't been able to. I suppose I could post a link for the thread discussion where I also saw some numbers posted, but I'm sure you wouldn't accept what's posted there since it's posted in a Victory forum.

As far as running the bikes goes, I'll run you any way you want, 1/4 mile, top speed, top gear roll-on, whatever. It doesn't matter, you're gonna get spanked. Since you've obviously never squared off against a 109, I'll give you a little insight about what you'll be up against. A friend of mine in MI has this Harley custom thing he built. Actually the engine is probably an S&S or something like that, but it's 131 cubic inches and it's a torque monster. 1/8 mile is no contest, he's got me by a good 4 bike lengths because he makes so much more bottom-end torque, but after that it's all 109. 1/4 mile I'll take him by 4-5 bikes. Top speed, no contest. I can go faster in fourth gear than he can flat out in high gear. HP wise he's pushing about 120, and torque he's making about 130....in other words he making A LOT more power than you're making.


I will take that challenge on my Harley against your M109. There will be a weekend in June that I could meet you at Osceola Dragway in Osceola, IN. That is about mid-way between us to keep it fair.

My Harley against your M109. We can get timed runs 1/8 mile, 1/4 mile whatever you would like on a safe controlled race track. I will also pay your admission to the track when I get the date nailed down.

Here is a dyno sheet from my Harley. I must apologize as this one was before my fuel system upgrade. You can see the stock fuel pump was not able to keep up at 7500+ rpm. I have since added a high pressure Walbro pump and 5 bar fuel regulator which brings rising power all the way to the limiter.

BTW: This is an engine I personally handbuilt in my garage.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: BigCahuna
The more you post here the stupider you sound.


Maybe you should finish 1st grade English before you judge other people's intelligence. I guess siting and resiting resale value is how you justify riding around on a piece of living room furnature. Like I said, resale value isn't a criteria I consider when buying a motorcycle. I couldn't care less what it's worth when it comes time to sell. And yes, when it comes time to sell this bike and get another, I'll be looking at power, handling, comfort, stopping power, etc., pretty much all the criteria that HD fails at so miserably and will remove it from consideration......

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: o2man98
Originally Posted By: grampi
cfromc

I told you I'd post the parts content numbers IF I could find them again. So far I haven't been able to. I suppose I could post a link for the thread discussion where I also saw some numbers posted, but I'm sure you wouldn't accept what's posted there since it's posted in a Victory forum.

As far as running the bikes goes, I'll run you any way you want, 1/4 mile, top speed, top gear roll-on, whatever. It doesn't matter, you're gonna get spanked. Since you've obviously never squared off against a 109, I'll give you a little insight about what you'll be up against. A friend of mine in MI has this Harley custom thing he built. Actually the engine is probably an S&S or something like that, but it's 131 cubic inches and it's a torque monster. 1/8 mile is no contest, he's got me by a good 4 bike lengths because he makes so much more bottom-end torque, but after that it's all 109. 1/4 mile I'll take him by 4-5 bikes. Top speed, no contest. I can go faster in fourth gear than he can flat out in high gear. HP wise he's pushing about 120, and torque he's making about 130....in other words he making A LOT more power than you're making.


I will take that challenge on my Harley against your M109. There will be a weekend in June that I could meet you at Osceola Dragway in Osceola, IN. That is about mid-way between us to keep it fair.

My Harley against your M109. We can get timed runs 1/8 mile, 1/4 mile whatever you would like on a safe controlled race track. I will also pay your admission to the track when I get the date nailed down.

Here is a dyno sheet from my Harley. I must apologize as this one was before my fuel system upgrade. You can see the stock fuel pump was not able to keep up at 7500+ rpm. I have since added a high pressure Walbro pump and 5 bar fuel regulator which brings rising power all the way to the limiter.

BTW: This is an engine I personally handbuilt in my garage.

OK, this is no Road King posting these kinds of numbers, in fact, it's not even a Harley engine. No HD engine (except for the V-Rod, and it's actually a Porsche), revs that high. I may be gullable, but I'm not a complete fool. Considering your entering with what has turned out as a full blown racing bike, you wouldn't mind me showing up on my buddies stock '09 V-Max? I'm sure he wouldn't mind.

 

[ZGRider]

02Man98:

You may have built it in your garage, but who's inheritance did you use to finance it? There is absolutely no way a stock TC crankshaft or crankcases could tolerate that kind of power. Also, are those billet heads on that engine? How much did all that cost? The price of 10 M109s?

I have a stock ZX14 sitting in my garage and I'll take you up on that challenge you gave to grampi, you interested? Your title against my title?

You think there is any way you can make any air-cooled Harley engine compete against the BEST the Japanese make, you're mistaken. Not unless you're willing to spend a small fortune. Certainly not built in your garage.

My stock ZX14 puts out about 178HP and well over 100ft/lbs of torque.

Oh yeah, 1/4 mile only dude, gotta give my ZX time to spool up. Also, you won't mind me setting it up for drag racing? Drop the suspension, tweak the fuel maps a little, open the intake and exhaust a tad? Still stock, just a bit more competitive. I can probably get close to 190hp without replacing any stock hardware.

Still think your HD is BAD?

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: ZGRider
02Man98:

You may have built it in your garage, but who's inheritance did you use to finance it? There is absolutely no way a stock TC crankshaft or crankcases could tolerate that kind of power. Also, are those billet heads on that engine? How much did all that cost? The price of 10 M109s?

I have a stock ZX14 sitting in my garage and I'll take you up on that challenge you gave to grampi, you interested? Your title against my title?

You think there is any way you can make any air-cooled Harley engine compete against the BEST the Japanese make, you're mistaken. Not unless you're willing to spend a small fortune. Certainly not built in your garage.

My stock ZX14 puts out about 178HP and well over 100ft/lbs of torque.

Oh yeah, 1/4 mile only dude, gotta give my ZX time to spool up. Also, you won't mind me setting it up for drag racing? Drop the suspension, tweak the fuel maps a little, open the intake and exhaust a tad? Still stock, just a bit more competitive. I can probably get close to 190hp without replacing any stock hardware.

Still think your HD is BAD?


I should've known he had something up his sleeve. Even the most ill informed Harley owners know their bikes won't even come close to running with a stock metric UNLESS they're highly modified. You're ZX would blow it away, as would a 197 HP V-Max.