Wow. Look at that fuel dilution!
Hard towing and PP
- Thread starter Camprunner
- Start date
- Status
Where'd all the copper come from?
OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
It's a 10-second 408ci stroker motor folks. This isn't a Toyota.
Other UOA's here:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2004-gto-schaeffers-7000-10-30.91102/
Other UOA's here:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2004-gto-schaeffers-7000-10-30.91102/
Skipping past most of the replies . . . heavy towing calls for a minimum 20W-50, conventional or synthetic. If it's heavy towing in hot weather, run mono-grade SAE-40. While the mono-grade SAE-40 might initially appear a little thinner than the 20W-50 at operating temperatures, it'll soon be thicker at operating temperature as the 20W-50 shears toward SAE-30 at operating temps. In the mean time, the SAE-40 will be putting more oil between the journal bearing surfaces and the cam faces from the get-go.
Last edited:
I use 5W-30 PP in my 2003 Chevy Cavalier 2.2L with 98K miles. I do a 6,000-6,500 mile OCI and have had NO oil consumption between changes. I generally put 80 miles a day total round trip to work mostly highway miles. But I work in DC and commute to Maryland so many times I do sit idling in traffic. I've been using it for over 30K miles and never added a drop between any oil change. The one UOA I did looked great,
Originally Posted By: Gary in Sandy Eggo
Skipping past most of the replies . . . heavy towing calls for a minimum 20W-50,
Oh really now?????
i do allot of towing(heavy parts,eqiupment)with 0w30 in my
my 1/2 ton chev with 220,000 on the clock!!
Skipping past most of the replies . . . heavy towing calls for a minimum 20W-50,
Oh really now?????
i do allot of towing(heavy parts,eqiupment)with 0w30 in my
my 1/2 ton chev with 220,000 on the clock!!
OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
I'd put more faith in an HDEO 5w40 like Rotella or Delvac than a PCMO 20w50, but that's just me..........
Originally Posted By: daman
PP is a good oil,but for towing i'd sleep a little better at night if i had a HDEO in,RTS is a good choice,another good one is M1's TDT 5w40.
I agree. My 99 F250 specs 5w30. I've run 5w30, and 10w30 (Schaeffer 7k and Rotella T respectively). But all this truck sees is a 8500 lb TT and 2 scooters up in the bed going to various campgrounds. The oils I have the most success with (in the form of lack of consumption) are RTS 5-40 and Delo straight 30. So, spring/summertime, I run my .99 a gallon Delo, and in fall/winter, RTS. I am not concerned at all about a 40 weight, or the cold start properties of the straight 30. YMMV, but it works for me.
PP is a good oil,but for towing i'd sleep a little better at night if i had a HDEO in,RTS is a good choice,another good one is M1's TDT 5w40.
I agree. My 99 F250 specs 5w30. I've run 5w30, and 10w30 (Schaeffer 7k and Rotella T respectively). But all this truck sees is a 8500 lb TT and 2 scooters up in the bed going to various campgrounds. The oils I have the most success with (in the form of lack of consumption) are RTS 5-40 and Delo straight 30. So, spring/summertime, I run my .99 a gallon Delo, and in fall/winter, RTS. I am not concerned at all about a 40 weight, or the cold start properties of the straight 30. YMMV, but it works for me.
Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
It definately isnot as good as M1 becuase it does fall flat on it's face in a nember of key area's. TBN retension,flash point and consumption are all important factors when looking at an oil. So just to be clear so no one thinks I am a PP hater. If I hated it so much I wouldnot 8 or so OCI of it sitting in my pole barn!
What the helll are you talking about?
PP has PROVEN capable of long drains, exhibiting great TBN retention in all the long UOA reports here. As is flash point retention, and viscosity retention. You rarely see a report here with the FP under 410 degrees with PP, and the viscosity is always around 59 to 60 Sus for the 30 weights.
It definately isnot as good as M1 becuase it does fall flat on it's face in a nember of key area's. TBN retension,flash point and consumption are all important factors when looking at an oil. So just to be clear so no one thinks I am a PP hater. If I hated it so much I wouldnot 8 or so OCI of it sitting in my pole barn!
What the helll are you talking about?
PP has PROVEN capable of long drains, exhibiting great TBN retention in all the long UOA reports here. As is flash point retention, and viscosity retention. You rarely see a report here with the FP under 410 degrees with PP, and the viscosity is always around 59 to 60 Sus for the 30 weights.
Last edited:
I haven't seen JB since his "joke" thead. Ban?
- Joined
- Sep 28, 2002
- Messages
- 39,798
I hope not. It did stir the pot. I hope not too many people whined about it. JB had some decent offerings from time to time...
Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
If I hated it so much I would not 8 or so OCI of it sitting in my pole barn!
i've always wanted a pole barn, with nice stables and hay for the dancers
If I hated it so much I would not 8 or so OCI of it sitting in my pole barn!
i've always wanted a pole barn, with nice stables and hay for the dancers
Originally Posted By: Camprunner
I think im going to use PP 5-30 in my Toyota 4Runner towing my camper for the next few months this summer (I usually use Shell Synthetic) and I was wondering how long I should run the PP under hard towing? ........ I am going to have it sent in for a test after a good use but I was wondering how long to let it go under hard use?
By the way I run the shell between 5 and 6K under easy use.
awwww so close.. 5w-30 Motorcraft is within reach. ouch.
I think im going to use PP 5-30 in my Toyota 4Runner towing my camper for the next few months this summer (I usually use Shell Synthetic) and I was wondering how long I should run the PP under hard towing? ........ I am going to have it sent in for a test after a good use but I was wondering how long to let it go under hard use?
By the way I run the shell between 5 and 6K under easy use.
awwww so close.. 5w-30 Motorcraft is within reach. ouch.
Last edited:
- Status
Similar threads
