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Originally Posted By: BRZED
Originally Posted By: Benito
Everytime I see the word "Yemen", I think of a Rastafarian saying "Yeahhh Mannn".
And of course, next to Yemen is "Oh Mannn"
Some may think that's witty, but I lack a sense of humor.
That's not a bad thing. Threads can go off topic and that prevents it.
How's your math?
Originally Posted By: Benito
Everytime I see the word "Yemen", I think of a Rastafarian saying "Yeahhh Mannn".
And of course, next to Yemen is "Oh Mannn"
Some may think that's witty, but I lack a sense of humor.
That's not a bad thing. Threads can go off topic and that prevents it.
How's your math?
Originally Posted By: Benito
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Well, maybe momma should have taken her son for some mental health treatments.
Momma was a gun nut. Just like Lanza's momma.
Parents typically have blinders on, and usually don't think their kid will ever do anything wrong, even IF they show signs of having some major problems.
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Well, maybe momma should have taken her son for some mental health treatments.
Momma was a gun nut. Just like Lanza's momma.
Parents typically have blinders on, and usually don't think their kid will ever do anything wrong, even IF they show signs of having some major problems.
Originally Posted By: Mystic
In the case of several of these other shooters, people DID see issues. But nobody said anything. Lots of people noticed problems with the Virginia Tech shooter and the Sandy Hook guy. The theater shooter in Colorado was displaying problems but the woman treating him did not want to violate patient confidentiality. Same situation with the guy in Germany who flew the passenger plane into a mountain.
The fact of the matter is, several of these people did display warning signs.
Agreed, and people need to start listening more carefully and contacting authorities to report possible unstable actions/words by people. No different than calling 911 when there's some suspicious activity going on outside your home's windows.
Originally Posted By: Mystic
There probably needs to be moderations to the patient confidentially. If the mental health worker feels that a person can be potentially dangerous maybe the mental health worker should be required to do something. Patient confidentiality is going too far when other people's lives are in danger. Because other human beings besides the patient have rights.
Yep ... like I said earlier, when people go to buy firearms they should have to sign a release of all doctor/patient confidentially and all medial records should be able to be accessed. People who have security clearances working on defense department jobs all have to do this. So why not with owning firearms? It might keep guns out of the hands of some people that seem to be able to still buy them legally when maybe they shouldn't be owing guns.
As far as the criminal element, there are plenty of gun laws about crimes committed with guns, and owning guns when you shouldn't (ie, convicted felon, restraining order, etc) ... the law just needs to enforce those laws better.
In the case of several of these other shooters, people DID see issues. But nobody said anything. Lots of people noticed problems with the Virginia Tech shooter and the Sandy Hook guy. The theater shooter in Colorado was displaying problems but the woman treating him did not want to violate patient confidentiality. Same situation with the guy in Germany who flew the passenger plane into a mountain.
The fact of the matter is, several of these people did display warning signs.
Agreed, and people need to start listening more carefully and contacting authorities to report possible unstable actions/words by people. No different than calling 911 when there's some suspicious activity going on outside your home's windows.
Originally Posted By: Mystic
There probably needs to be moderations to the patient confidentially. If the mental health worker feels that a person can be potentially dangerous maybe the mental health worker should be required to do something. Patient confidentiality is going too far when other people's lives are in danger. Because other human beings besides the patient have rights.
Yep ... like I said earlier, when people go to buy firearms they should have to sign a release of all doctor/patient confidentially and all medial records should be able to be accessed. People who have security clearances working on defense department jobs all have to do this. So why not with owning firearms? It might keep guns out of the hands of some people that seem to be able to still buy them legally when maybe they shouldn't be owing guns.
As far as the criminal element, there are plenty of gun laws about crimes committed with guns, and owning guns when you shouldn't (ie, convicted felon, restraining order, etc) ... the law just needs to enforce those laws better.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Agreed, and people need to start listening more carefully and contacting authorities to report possible unstable actions/words by people. No different than calling 911 when there's some suspicious activity going on outside your home's windows.
Who are these authorities you speak of? My state's mental health services are seriously overloaded.
The cop-on-the-beat knows what it takes to get a referral pushed through. He might contact the individual for five minutes and know he won't be able to get them any help.
Agreed, and people need to start listening more carefully and contacting authorities to report possible unstable actions/words by people. No different than calling 911 when there's some suspicious activity going on outside your home's windows.
Who are these authorities you speak of? My state's mental health services are seriously overloaded.
The cop-on-the-beat knows what it takes to get a referral pushed through. He might contact the individual for five minutes and know he won't be able to get them any help.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Yep ... like I said earlier, when people go to buy firearms they should have to sign a release of all doctor/patient confidentially and all medial records should be able to be accessed. People who have security clearances working on defense department jobs all have to do this. So why not with owning firearms? It might keep guns out of the hands of some people that seem to be able to still buy them legally when maybe they shouldn't be owing guns.
Because if you're afraid they'll pull your guns you won't confide in your doctor and you, and society, may be worse off for it.
Yep ... like I said earlier, when people go to buy firearms they should have to sign a release of all doctor/patient confidentially and all medial records should be able to be accessed. People who have security clearances working on defense department jobs all have to do this. So why not with owning firearms? It might keep guns out of the hands of some people that seem to be able to still buy them legally when maybe they shouldn't be owing guns.
Because if you're afraid they'll pull your guns you won't confide in your doctor and you, and society, may be worse off for it.
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Agreed, and people need to start listening more carefully and contacting authorities to report possible unstable actions/words by people. No different than calling 911 when there's some suspicious activity going on outside your home's windows.
Who are these authorities you speak of? My state's mental health services are seriously overloaded.
The cop-on-the-beat knows what it takes to get a referral pushed through. He might contact the individual for five minutes and know he won't be able to get them any help.
The police, FBI or whoever. If you had a friend that started acting strange and talked about going into a school or movie theater to shoot-up the place what would you do ... just keep it to yourself and say nothing? IMO, if people say/act crazy someone with authority to investigate should be contacted.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Agreed, and people need to start listening more carefully and contacting authorities to report possible unstable actions/words by people. No different than calling 911 when there's some suspicious activity going on outside your home's windows.
Who are these authorities you speak of? My state's mental health services are seriously overloaded.
The cop-on-the-beat knows what it takes to get a referral pushed through. He might contact the individual for five minutes and know he won't be able to get them any help.
The police, FBI or whoever. If you had a friend that started acting strange and talked about going into a school or movie theater to shoot-up the place what would you do ... just keep it to yourself and say nothing? IMO, if people say/act crazy someone with authority to investigate should be contacted.
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Yep ... like I said earlier, when people go to buy firearms they should have to sign a release of all doctor/patient confidentially and all medial records should be able to be accessed. People who have security clearances working on defense department jobs all have to do this. So why not with owning firearms? It might keep guns out of the hands of some people that seem to be able to still buy them legally when maybe they shouldn't be owing guns.
Because if you're afraid they'll pull your guns you won't confide in your doctor and you, and society, may be worse off for it.
Could be, but it's gotta start somewhere ... society can't wait for the Minority Report technology. There is just something fundamentally wrong allowing guns to me owned by mentally unstable people.
As time goes on and the rate of mass shootings increases, you can bet there will be some kind of clamp down on gun ownership. Sad to think of, but that's what the actions of our society is going to force to happen at some point.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Yep ... like I said earlier, when people go to buy firearms they should have to sign a release of all doctor/patient confidentially and all medial records should be able to be accessed. People who have security clearances working on defense department jobs all have to do this. So why not with owning firearms? It might keep guns out of the hands of some people that seem to be able to still buy them legally when maybe they shouldn't be owing guns.
Because if you're afraid they'll pull your guns you won't confide in your doctor and you, and society, may be worse off for it.
Could be, but it's gotta start somewhere ... society can't wait for the Minority Report technology. There is just something fundamentally wrong allowing guns to me owned by mentally unstable people.
As time goes on and the rate of mass shootings increases, you can bet there will be some kind of clamp down on gun ownership. Sad to think of, but that's what the actions of our society is going to force to happen at some point.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Parents typically have blinders on, and usually don't think their kid will ever do anything wrong, even IF they show signs of having some major problems.
Yep, I call it "dindo muffin" complex.
You can see it on the news, some one commits a horrible violet crime or murders some one and the "mother" and we use that term loosely is out on TV saying :Mah baby dindu nuffin, he was a good boy who was about to turn his life around".
Or if the family is rich and affluent " It was the drugs that made him do this, its not his fault he was a good boy, if only we all cared more"
Parents typically have blinders on, and usually don't think their kid will ever do anything wrong, even IF they show signs of having some major problems.
Yep, I call it "dindo muffin" complex.
You can see it on the news, some one commits a horrible violet crime or murders some one and the "mother" and we use that term loosely is out on TV saying :Mah baby dindu nuffin, he was a good boy who was about to turn his life around".
Or if the family is rich and affluent " It was the drugs that made him do this, its not his fault he was a good boy, if only we all cared more"
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Agreed, and people need to start listening more carefully and contacting authorities to report possible unstable actions/words by people. No different than calling 911 when there's some suspicious activity going on outside your home's windows.
Who are these authorities you speak of? My state's mental health services are seriously overloaded.
The cop-on-the-beat knows what it takes to get a referral pushed through. He might contact the individual for five minutes and know he won't be able to get them any help.
Exactly. Nice feelgood words for action but again...not possible/realistic. You could be sued over defimation of character, the cop is seriously potentially liable by taking the individual into custody. As mentioned he will/may report it it. Then what??? Someone is gonna come around and then do what??
If that individual utters a threat of violence than that's another matter. His weapons can be confiscated and it is possible he will lose privileges to guns in the future.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Could be, but it's gotta start somewhere ... society can't wait for the Minority Report technology. There is just something fundamentally wrong allowing guns to me owned by mentally unstable people.
As time goes on and the rate of mass shootings increases, you can bet there will be some kind of clamp down on gun ownership. Sad to think of, but that's what the actions of our society is going to force to happen at some point.
And remember..in this country we have these pesky thing called The Bill of Rights and "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" A lot of people have died to give maximum freedom to everyone (unfortunately illegal alians)..So don't expect your hopes to occur any time soon.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Agreed, and people need to start listening more carefully and contacting authorities to report possible unstable actions/words by people. No different than calling 911 when there's some suspicious activity going on outside your home's windows.
Who are these authorities you speak of? My state's mental health services are seriously overloaded.
The cop-on-the-beat knows what it takes to get a referral pushed through. He might contact the individual for five minutes and know he won't be able to get them any help.
Exactly. Nice feelgood words for action but again...not possible/realistic. You could be sued over defimation of character, the cop is seriously potentially liable by taking the individual into custody. As mentioned he will/may report it it. Then what??? Someone is gonna come around and then do what??
If that individual utters a threat of violence than that's another matter. His weapons can be confiscated and it is possible he will lose privileges to guns in the future.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Could be, but it's gotta start somewhere ... society can't wait for the Minority Report technology. There is just something fundamentally wrong allowing guns to me owned by mentally unstable people.
As time goes on and the rate of mass shootings increases, you can bet there will be some kind of clamp down on gun ownership. Sad to think of, but that's what the actions of our society is going to force to happen at some point.
And remember..in this country we have these pesky thing called The Bill of Rights and "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" A lot of people have died to give maximum freedom to everyone (unfortunately illegal alians)..So don't expect your hopes to occur any time soon.
Time to start packing everywhere. Guess the only answer to address the seemingly increased threat of public shootings is to just be ready to smoke anyone who's a threat since it "seems" impossible to have any kind of control over keeping guns from those who shouldn't have them.
But with time, certain "rights" will inevitably be changed by law to control society if it can't find a way to control itself naturally. Trying to keep guns from those who shouldn't have them isn't anything new. There are laws already to do this, but for some reason there is a disconnect between the laws and what's actually happening.
But with time, certain "rights" will inevitably be changed by law to control society if it can't find a way to control itself naturally. Trying to keep guns from those who shouldn't have them isn't anything new. There are laws already to do this, but for some reason there is a disconnect between the laws and what's actually happening.
This still brings to mind the hospital errors thread. We have the same problem with medication and treatment errors up here. Shootings are tragedies, too, we should probably fear a medical error much more than we fear being shot going to the theater or to school.
But, a mass shooting brings out a nice, straightforward dichotomy for the media of guns good versus guns bad, and that's easier than real journalism. After all, the boilerplate for shooting incidents and the talking head aftermath (on both sides of the debate) has long been perfected.
But, a mass shooting brings out a nice, straightforward dichotomy for the media of guns good versus guns bad, and that's easier than real journalism. After all, the boilerplate for shooting incidents and the talking head aftermath (on both sides of the debate) has long been perfected.
Originally Posted By: Garak
But, a mass shooting brings out a nice, straightforward dichotomy for the media of guns good versus guns bad, and that's easier than real journalism.
Garak, I have a friend, who was a Journalist, and became the editor of a regional newspaper in Oz...Oz had Port Arthur, the gun buyback, and all sorts of stuff.
She was asked to prepare a two page spread on gun ownership.
As a journalist, and a well connected/respected member of the community, she wanted a balanced portrayal of facts (I refused the centrepiece photo of aiming my rifle down the lens of her camera...couldn't wouldn't and won't).
She interviewed all and sundry
* Farmers who have to control vermin, and put down ill/injured livestock;
* shooting clubs, recreational target and skeet type stuff;
* Police in a rural area, who could describe everything from positive, through attending farmers losing it all, through attending suicides, through putting down wounded roadkill.
As a double page spread, on a heated, and topical subject, it was good, and balanced, and she wanted both sides to see the other's side.
When the papers arrived later in the week, the article that she wrote was halved. H/O claimed that there wasn't enough room on the double page spread for all of her words (there was, she was the regional editor, and they'd not long gone from printing their own to centralised).
Was slanted, changed, and all very anti...and they left her by line on it.
Absolutely slammed her in the community, peoples representations having been either edited, or simply not there, and all of the remnant "information" anti and bad.
Ultimate answer when she pushed was that they didn't want a positive portrayal of guns under their banner.
She not long after became not a journalist.
But, a mass shooting brings out a nice, straightforward dichotomy for the media of guns good versus guns bad, and that's easier than real journalism.
Garak, I have a friend, who was a Journalist, and became the editor of a regional newspaper in Oz...Oz had Port Arthur, the gun buyback, and all sorts of stuff.
She was asked to prepare a two page spread on gun ownership.
As a journalist, and a well connected/respected member of the community, she wanted a balanced portrayal of facts (I refused the centrepiece photo of aiming my rifle down the lens of her camera...couldn't wouldn't and won't).
She interviewed all and sundry
* Farmers who have to control vermin, and put down ill/injured livestock;
* shooting clubs, recreational target and skeet type stuff;
* Police in a rural area, who could describe everything from positive, through attending farmers losing it all, through attending suicides, through putting down wounded roadkill.
As a double page spread, on a heated, and topical subject, it was good, and balanced, and she wanted both sides to see the other's side.
When the papers arrived later in the week, the article that she wrote was halved. H/O claimed that there wasn't enough room on the double page spread for all of her words (there was, she was the regional editor, and they'd not long gone from printing their own to centralised).
Was slanted, changed, and all very anti...and they left her by line on it.
Absolutely slammed her in the community, peoples representations having been either edited, or simply not there, and all of the remnant "information" anti and bad.
Ultimate answer when she pushed was that they didn't want a positive portrayal of guns under their banner.
She not long after became not a journalist.
There you go; you never get the proper story anymore. Space concerns and PC concerns and editorial concerns get to simply be too much. You should see some of the CBC's website's headlines about the shootings when they come about, some rubbish about the "banality of evil that is guns in the U.S." or some similar rot.
This refers to Manchester, UK. Of course none of it can be true because we all know that guns have been banned over there for some time!
1. 02/05/14 - Shots are fired into a stationary car in a targeted attack in Pendlebury. 2. 04/05/14 - A 21-year-old is run over and shot four times in Broughton. 3. 19/05/14 - Shots are fired at a house in a possible case of witness intimidation. 4. 26/05/14 - A man is shop in a pub seven times in a case of mistaken identity. 5. Shots are fired at a house in Crescent Drive, Little Hutton. 6. 20/11/14 - A shotgun is fired in Shillington Close, Little Hulton. 7. 13/01/15 - A house on Crescent Drive is shot at twice in 24 hours. 8. 26/01/15 - Another home on Crescent Drive is targeted by gangs. 9. 17/02/15 - A 23-year-old man is wounded in a shotgun attack on Doveleys Road. 10. 23/02/15 - Two men on a motorbike shoot at a white van in Broughton. 11. 20/03/15 - A grenade is thrown at a home in Formby Road, causing major damage. 12. 03/04/15 - A house in Eccles is shot at by two men on a motorbike. 13. 22/07/15 - People manage to escape from inside a house in Swinton as masked gunmen open fire. 14. 26/07/15 - Veteran crimelord Paul Massey is shot dead outside his home. 15. 01/08/15 - Gunman on a motorbike opens fire on a house in a drive-by shooting. 16. 11/08/15 - A woman and a child are shot inside a house in Little Hulton. 17. 13/08/15 - A man is shot in the hip in an attack related to the murder of Paul Massey. 18. 06/10/15 - A man is shot three times in his upper body and arm in a targeted attack. 19. 10/10/15 - A man is shot in the back through the front window of his home. 20. 10/10/15 - Shots are fired through the ground floor window of a house. 21. Christian Hickey and his mother Jayne are shot in the legs on their doorstep.
Maybe some of the anti-gun people should think again if this is an example of what goes on in gun/defence free areas?
1. 02/05/14 - Shots are fired into a stationary car in a targeted attack in Pendlebury. 2. 04/05/14 - A 21-year-old is run over and shot four times in Broughton. 3. 19/05/14 - Shots are fired at a house in a possible case of witness intimidation. 4. 26/05/14 - A man is shop in a pub seven times in a case of mistaken identity. 5. Shots are fired at a house in Crescent Drive, Little Hutton. 6. 20/11/14 - A shotgun is fired in Shillington Close, Little Hulton. 7. 13/01/15 - A house on Crescent Drive is shot at twice in 24 hours. 8. 26/01/15 - Another home on Crescent Drive is targeted by gangs. 9. 17/02/15 - A 23-year-old man is wounded in a shotgun attack on Doveleys Road. 10. 23/02/15 - Two men on a motorbike shoot at a white van in Broughton. 11. 20/03/15 - A grenade is thrown at a home in Formby Road, causing major damage. 12. 03/04/15 - A house in Eccles is shot at by two men on a motorbike. 13. 22/07/15 - People manage to escape from inside a house in Swinton as masked gunmen open fire. 14. 26/07/15 - Veteran crimelord Paul Massey is shot dead outside his home. 15. 01/08/15 - Gunman on a motorbike opens fire on a house in a drive-by shooting. 16. 11/08/15 - A woman and a child are shot inside a house in Little Hulton. 17. 13/08/15 - A man is shot in the hip in an attack related to the murder of Paul Massey. 18. 06/10/15 - A man is shot three times in his upper body and arm in a targeted attack. 19. 10/10/15 - A man is shot in the back through the front window of his home. 20. 10/10/15 - Shots are fired through the ground floor window of a house. 21. Christian Hickey and his mother Jayne are shot in the legs on their doorstep.
Maybe some of the anti-gun people should think again if this is an example of what goes on in gun/defence free areas?
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Just read yesterday that one of our presidential candidates would support a mandatory buyback program, similar to Australia.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/.../?intcmp=hplnws
Not that I consider Fox new a beacon of journalism, but this concerns me.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/.../?intcmp=hplnws
Not that I consider Fox new a beacon of journalism, but this concerns me.
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Yep ... like I said earlier, when people go to buy firearms they should have to sign a release of all doctor/patient confidentially and all medial records should be able to be accessed. People who have security clearances working on defense department jobs all have to do this. So why not with owning firearms? It might keep guns out of the hands of some people that seem to be able to still buy them legally when maybe they shouldn't be owing guns.
Because if you're afraid they'll pull your guns you won't confide in your doctor and you, and society, may be worse off for it.
Unfortunately there are many people out there. Especially veterans.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Yep ... like I said earlier, when people go to buy firearms they should have to sign a release of all doctor/patient confidentially and all medial records should be able to be accessed. People who have security clearances working on defense department jobs all have to do this. So why not with owning firearms? It might keep guns out of the hands of some people that seem to be able to still buy them legally when maybe they shouldn't be owing guns.
Because if you're afraid they'll pull your guns you won't confide in your doctor and you, and society, may be worse off for it.
Unfortunately there are many people out there. Especially veterans.
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