Gold Standard for 2 Cycle Oils? Chainsaw

It biodegrades once mixed with gas. It's also only FB rated.
The biodegradability, according to HPL, happens when certain enzymes in soil come in contact with the oil. Doesn’t have anything to do with gas, at least the ones they use. I had asked about the bio-friendly industrial lubricants that they sell, in order to make the company I work for “greener” but also at less risk for environmental fines & mitigation costs. Not sure if 2-stroke is the same but it’s likely the same action for biodegradability.
 
After watching teardown videos, I will not use Stihl Ultra in the silver bottle. It is JASO FB and we are now leaps and bounds beyond that. It aint cheap either so why bother?

Stihl used to offer 3 grades of oil. The standard mineral based orange bottle and the silver ultra synthetic oil have always been rated FB for some reason. The black bottle semi synthetic HP Super was FD rated oil. This oil has been discontinued for a long time now, due to slow sales I’m guessing.

I still have 2 bottles left of the HP Super left over and they are the older square type bottles. They are at least 15 years old. Even back then the back of the bottle it states the oil is FD rated.

Seems strange that they would discontinue seemingly their best oil.
 
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Not to me. If owners use the FB rated oils in the new chinese STIHL products they are peddling, it will for sure make it past the warranty period and fail sooner. This will allow the owners to purchase a new one. A guy on youtube did a tear down on a stihl chainsaw using the stihl ultra. Crankcase was almost dry, piston had some new wear. The Husky oil and some other oil he used there as a nice thick film and no new wear.
 
Not to me. If owners use the FB rated oils in the new chinese STIHL products they are peddling, it will for sure make it past the warranty period and fail sooner. This will allow the owners to purchase a new one. A guy on youtube did a tear down on a stihl chainsaw using the stihl ultra. Crankcase was almost dry, piston had some new wear. The Husky oil and some other oil he used there as a nice thick film and no new wear.
Yup I've seen similar videos as well as my own experience draining fuel/cleaning carburetors from machines that had Stihl ultra oil in it. You won't ever see me recommending or using that stuff, but I'm sure the Stihl fanboys will continue to praise it.
 
I was using Pennzoil Air Cooled 2 Cycle oil at 40:1 with ethanol free gas for about ten years. Zero issues during that time. I bought several quarts when my local Kmart was clearing everything out.

It was real popular in the aviation world so I figured if it was good enough for those high dollar engines it would be more than enough for a chainsaw. Idk that it’s the “best” but it kept all my equipment running just fine for a long period of time.

I think it’s discontinued now but old stock can still be bought online. I just picked up some FD rated FVP two cycle oil from Menards last time I needed to fill my mix can.
 
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I’ve never seen any oil clog spark arrestors faster than Stihl ultra. It just burns dirty even at the recommended 50:1

There are a lot of professional landscaping companies and tree guys that stop for fuel where I fill up. A lot of times I’ll see them dumping 2 cycle oil in their cans and most of the time it’s the standard orange bottle Stihl mix.
 
Buy a bottle of Amsoil Saber and you will be happy.
Champion Brands 2 stroke is a close second.
I ran both brands of oil in my 2 stroke engines. Amsoil at 100:1 and the Champion at 50:1 all mixed with 91 or 93 octane. I ran Echo 2601 grass trimmers and various Stihl grass trimmers and chainsaws when I had my lawn and landscape biz. Never had an exhaust port screen clog up with carbon.
 
Use in chainsaws and weed whackers. Is JASO FD the latest and greatest in mixing your own moonshine? Supposedly this brand, VP Fuels, has one years worth of preventing fuel breakdown. Thnaks.
A few years ago my 2 cycle toys (Stihl) were seing very little use, so I fed them 50:1 Tru-Fuel. Then I had to chop up a few trees and used a gallon over two weekends. Expensive to say the least... After that I was gifted a single stage snowblower with a 212 cc engine. That was three years ago if I recall. From that point forward I have been running a mix of the Husquvarna JASO FD oil with 89 Octane E0. The current batch is approaching a year old and is running just fine in the Stihl leaf blower and chainsaw. This combination is working for me. Your mileage may vary.
 
A few years ago my 2 cycle toys (Stihl) were seing very little use, so I fed them 50:1 Tru-Fuel. Then I had to chop up a few trees and used a gallon over two weekends. Expensive to say the least... After that I was gifted a single stage snowblower with a 212 cc engine. That was three years ago if I recall. From that point forward I have been running a mix of the Husquvarna JASO FD oil with 89 Octane E0. The current batch is approaching a year old and is running just fine in the Stihl leaf blower and chainsaw. This combination is working for me. Your mileage may vary.
There are numerous videos documenting the downfalls of Trufuel, mainly the issues it causes with not allowing engines to rev out fully. I only experienced this with one can of it I had, but given how expensive it is I stopped buying it. I have been using the VP racing 50:1 cans for stuff that I know won't get used often, and so far it works great.

Otherwise I've had the best luck with Echo Red Armor, Husqvarna XP, Amsoil Dominator, and Opti-2 in both my own and customer machines. The Echo and Opti-2 seems to hold up the best in E10 fuel. It would be nice to find E0 fuel but that is not a thing in my state unless you want to buy race fuel, and I know it is becoming more difficult to find in other states as well.
 
Currently running Amsoil Saber at 3oz/gallon ethanol free in all the chainsaws.Wish red Armor was a little cheaper.I feel tuning is a little more precise with the Saber.
 
There are numerous videos documenting the downfalls of Trufuel, mainly the issues it causes with not allowing engines to rev out fully. I only experienced this with one can of it I had, but given how expensive it is I stopped buying it. I have been using the VP racing 50:1 cans for stuff that I know won't get used often, and so far it works great.

Otherwise I've had the best luck with Echo Red Armor, Husqvarna XP, Amsoil Dominator, and Opti-2 in both my own and customer machines. The Echo and Opti-2 seems to hold up the best in E10 fuel. It would be nice to find E0 fuel but that is not a thing in my state unless you want to buy race fuel, and I know it is becoming more difficult to find in other states as well.
That VP 2-cycle oil is cool, for sure. That's got the JASO FD spec. PS: Did you try to get E-FREE gas at your local airport? That stuff will make your OPE run like a crazed woman. It's 100 Octane, too. Talk about high revs.....
 
I was using Pennzoil Air Cooled 2 Cycle oil at 40:1 with ethanol free gas for about ten years. Zero issues during that time. I bought several quarts when my local Kmart was clearing everything out.

It was real popular in the aviation world so I figured if it was good enough for those high dollar engines it would be more than enough for a chainsaw. Idk that it’s the “best” but it kept all my equipment running just fine for a long period of time.

I think it’s discontinued now but old stock can still be bought online. I just picked up some FD rated FVP two cycle oil from Menards last time I needed to fill my mix can.
I have many cases of the original 3.2oz Pennzoil Air Cooled that I'd be willing to sell (24 bottles per case, so total 76.8oz). If anyone's interested, send me a PM.
 
After watching teardown videos, I will not use Stihl Ultra in the silver bottle. It is JASO FB and we are now leaps and bounds beyond that. It aint cheap either so why bother? I would happily use HuskyXP+ any day if needed to.

I have been addicted to Echo / Shindaiwa Red Armor. I have owned a GT-225 since new, which I started out using echo power blend, and some MC-1 racing oil I had left over, and although the port is good and cylinder wear is minimal and almost not visable, when I bought my SRM-225, it has only seen echo red armor and ethanol free, in which the cylinder and piston looks new, and there is no carbon on the exhaust port. My rebuilt CS-670 chainsaw got a 32:1 mix of it, and now gets a 40:1 mix and it too looks like brand new.
Can you recommend a source of videos?
 
That VP 2-cycle oil is cool, for sure. That's got the JASO FD spec. PS: Did you try to get E-FREE gas at your local airport? That stuff will make your OPE run like a crazed woman. It's 100 Octane, too. Talk about high revs.....
The small airports local to me are not easy to get access to unless you have a plane there or are a flight instructor, it seemed like more hassle than it was worth to drive 30 minutes one way each time I needed fuel for small engines. I have a variety of different personal machines, and in the last 10 years have only needed to do two carb rebuilds, which were due to age. One was my 1968 Gravely with the original carb. I've always ran regular 87 E10 fuel in my own and my customer's machines with a hint of Marine Stabil mixed in, and no fuel issues. I also only buy fuel 5 gallons at a time, and mark the date on a piece of tape. If it is over a month old it goes into the car.
 
Seems like your local airports are screwing up - how in the world does a prospective flight school student get in to watch something very cool and get his lessons?
 
I've been using pro select 2 cycle oil from Lowes its a synthetic blend with a fuel stabilizer and it has treated my backpack blower well. Keep the gas fresh and follow the manufacturers mix:ratio and all else will be cool.
 
A couple of points.Oils rated FB,C and D all have the same anti wear rating.The only difference is engine cleanliness.Some oils produce more carbon deposits than others,I can tell you most poor oils are purchased from auto outlets or hardware chains.What really matters is how soft those deposits are.Hard carbon is very bad bad for 2 stroke pistons and rings.I always recommend OPE oils,they tend to give the best results.
The test I watched by a guy bad mouthing Stihl Ultra,he ran the Ultra in a 661 and a Husqvarna oil in a bigger Husqy.If you want to compare an oil you must use it in the same machine doing the exact same work.If the 661 was an Mtronic model it will run very lean by design.Can't remember the Husqy model but like comparing Apples and Oranges.
 
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