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GM isn't so bad!
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OK people ... I don't know about you but I plan on keeping my car till it dies. Usually people join BITOG because they plan on taking care of a car they will keep. In that case - what use is Resale values?
I mean... it is possible I could sell my car to myself.
I have absolutely zero interest in selling the car. Like I said, because it's being depreciated on my books, I would probably have to report a gain and pay taxes on that gain if I sold it.
YOU get back to US when you find a 365 ft. lb. Honyota that holds that kind of value
Good thing you're not selling it in Dallas. $22,385. Private party, 9100 miles, excellent condition.
Glad to hear about the GTO Win.
I would agree that GM "Isn't so Bad".
I've owned plenty of GM vehicles and still own one. I'd like to own more but I can't justify it until things improve, which I hope they do.
I really would feel foolish buying a product that "isn't so bad" when there are so many "excellent" offerings available in the marketplace.
I'll be the first one in line to buy a GM product once things improve, and once enough time has passed so that I don't feel raw about my GM experiences any more.
I wish GM good luck.
I've owned plenty of GM vehicles and still own one. I'd like to own more but I can't justify it until things improve, which I hope they do.
I really would feel foolish buying a product that "isn't so bad" when there are so many "excellent" offerings available in the marketplace.
I'll be the first one in line to buy a GM product once things improve, and once enough time has passed so that I don't feel raw about my GM experiences any more.
I wish GM good luck.
Great, you come back with a "what if" as your retort?quote:
Originally posted by norseman:
Ok, Scott, lets say he does get that (if he even wants to part with such a fine car) what type of smarty response are you gonna have then? Quit being a Schmuck.
Let me guess, at 6th grade you gave up?
And BTW, señior wise-ar$e, the SCION tC I bought is commonly being sold for more than people paid for them...what do YOU have to say now?
Grow up.
You know what "let's say that he does get that" is worth?
Nothing.
Keep using that logic as your grown-up reply.
As for a GTO potentially getting more than purchase price - that's not too difficult of a stretch and neither would the same for a Solstice, etc. Know why? Because GM has made about 20 of each. IF they were as common as a Mustang, they'd be discounting them as well.
Scott
I wonder how much money there is to be made flipping Scion TCs.
Well, Brian, I wasn't offering it as a career move, but hey, give it a shot and get back to me!
I think that if I use my tC for a year, and can get what I paid for it - or even close, I'd be happy.
But I'm not selling it unless it turns out to be another Maxima.
I think that if I use my tC for a year, and can get what I paid for it - or even close, I'd be happy.
But I'm not selling it unless it turns out to be another Maxima.
Scott,
Why the attitude? If you don't like GM, that's fine. But is there really a need for all the negativity...specifically the rudeness towards Win and his GTO?
This is why I can't stand the "Toyonda" lovers. It's the "GM sucks, Toyota/Honda are Gods" attitude. You people think "Toyonda" are invinsible and really, they aren't. Just b/c GM has made mistakes and put out some bad product in the past doesn't mean they can't make up for it all.
****, look at what Hyundai is doing, specifically the Sonota. Some auto reviewers are rating it better than the Accord. 5 years ago they were crap. Now they are stealing the top spots from Honda & Toyota.
Everybody, including GM, knows they put out some bad products and have made some bad decisions along the way (for the past couple decades). But I think they are doing a pretty good job of trying to turn things around.
My point is, no car manufacturer is so superior that they can do no wrong (even though some people like to believe that Toyonda can't do any wrong). It'd just be nice if people were a little more open-minded and not have such a negative attitude just b/c of what GM did in the past. Rather, give them a LITTLE credit for trying to turn things around.
And for the record, I'm not anti-import (I drive an '00 Grand Am GT & an '05 Mazda3). I'm just anti-Toyonda attitude of some people that think they can do no wrong and that no matter what, GM can do no right.
Why the attitude? If you don't like GM, that's fine. But is there really a need for all the negativity...specifically the rudeness towards Win and his GTO?
This is why I can't stand the "Toyonda" lovers. It's the "GM sucks, Toyota/Honda are Gods" attitude. You people think "Toyonda" are invinsible and really, they aren't. Just b/c GM has made mistakes and put out some bad product in the past doesn't mean they can't make up for it all.
****, look at what Hyundai is doing, specifically the Sonota. Some auto reviewers are rating it better than the Accord. 5 years ago they were crap. Now they are stealing the top spots from Honda & Toyota.
Everybody, including GM, knows they put out some bad products and have made some bad decisions along the way (for the past couple decades). But I think they are doing a pretty good job of trying to turn things around.
My point is, no car manufacturer is so superior that they can do no wrong (even though some people like to believe that Toyonda can't do any wrong). It'd just be nice if people were a little more open-minded and not have such a negative attitude just b/c of what GM did in the past. Rather, give them a LITTLE credit for trying to turn things around.
And for the record, I'm not anti-import (I drive an '00 Grand Am GT & an '05 Mazda3). I'm just anti-Toyonda attitude of some people that think they can do no wrong and that no matter what, GM can do no right.
mshu7 , no "attitude" whatsoever towards Win's GTO. The other statements are the ones that get to me.
You can gripe about us "Toyonda" lovers all you like - it won't make GM a better company.
What I've attempted to do here in numerous posts is to rile up people who think GM is fine. They're clearly not.
I said I wanted a Solstice - couldn't buy one. Lots are filled with unsold vehicles. Little details like no iPod integration, and design work form the '80's are killing them as well.
I DO NOT WANT GM TO GO UNDER. Understand that.
I don't care if you or anyone else likes GM - but if you are an apologist, you will find yourself with a car and no company to back it up.
And BTW, if Hyundai (Korea) beats the Japanese, then GREAT!
They will then have to get it in gear to compete on the next level - who wins? WE DO!
Scott
You can gripe about us "Toyonda" lovers all you like - it won't make GM a better company.
What I've attempted to do here in numerous posts is to rile up people who think GM is fine. They're clearly not.
I said I wanted a Solstice - couldn't buy one. Lots are filled with unsold vehicles. Little details like no iPod integration, and design work form the '80's are killing them as well.
I DO NOT WANT GM TO GO UNDER. Understand that.
I don't care if you or anyone else likes GM - but if you are an apologist, you will find yourself with a car and no company to back it up.
And BTW, if Hyundai (Korea) beats the Japanese, then GREAT!
They will then have to get it in gear to compete on the next level - who wins? WE DO!
Scott
And for the record, I've had two Nissan Maximas that let me down.
I love Nissans, but they do not match the Tonyondas for reliability and affordability of repairs.
So, they're in the same boat as GM/Ford to me.
I see dozens of freakin' Hummers and huge SUVs in the GM lots.
What are they smoking there?
Can't find one Solstice on a lot still - only on eBay.
Sigh.
As I asked in another GM thread, how many of you are going to put YOUR retirement money into GM/Ford stocks?
Scott
I love Nissans, but they do not match the Tonyondas for reliability and affordability of repairs.
So, they're in the same boat as GM/Ford to me.
I see dozens of freakin' Hummers and huge SUVs in the GM lots.
What are they smoking there?
Can't find one Solstice on a lot still - only on eBay.
Sigh.
As I asked in another GM thread, how many of you are going to put YOUR retirement money into GM/Ford stocks?
Scott
Scott,
Now that you've explained your stance on it, I can understand where you are coming from. I'm glad to hear your not as anti-GM as I first thought.
And just for the record, I never said, nor do I think GM is fine. You cannot turn around a company that large over night after decades of neglect. It's going to take time. But I do honestly believe the are doing better and are on the right track.
I also understand your comments about the Solstice. I would also agree that the styling inside could use some work. But, overall that car is night and day compared to what they've been producing the past 20 years.
I feel the same way about the HHR. Lots of people are raving about it, but when I went to check it out (for ****s and giggles), I was really disappointed with the interior. But other people and auto reviewers think otherwise, which is important.
One of the things (out of many) GM needs to do is change the perception that people have about their company. I'm hoping with vehicles like the new full-size SUV's, the Sky/Solstice, the new Aura, the new Buick Enclave/Saturn Outlook, etc. that they can do that. Quality, reliability, and positive word of mouth will do wonders for them.
Unlike some people, I've had good luck with the GM products I've purchased. As you can see from an earlier post in this thread where I referenced a UOA from my '00 Grand Am GT with 100K miles, I have a GM product that has done me good and is hopefully going to last me another 100K+ miles.
Now that you've explained your stance on it, I can understand where you are coming from. I'm glad to hear your not as anti-GM as I first thought.
And just for the record, I never said, nor do I think GM is fine. You cannot turn around a company that large over night after decades of neglect. It's going to take time. But I do honestly believe the are doing better and are on the right track.
I also understand your comments about the Solstice. I would also agree that the styling inside could use some work. But, overall that car is night and day compared to what they've been producing the past 20 years.
I feel the same way about the HHR. Lots of people are raving about it, but when I went to check it out (for ****s and giggles), I was really disappointed with the interior. But other people and auto reviewers think otherwise, which is important.
One of the things (out of many) GM needs to do is change the perception that people have about their company. I'm hoping with vehicles like the new full-size SUV's, the Sky/Solstice, the new Aura, the new Buick Enclave/Saturn Outlook, etc. that they can do that. Quality, reliability, and positive word of mouth will do wonders for them.
Unlike some people, I've had good luck with the GM products I've purchased. As you can see from an earlier post in this thread where I referenced a UOA from my '00 Grand Am GT with 100K miles, I have a GM product that has done me good and is hopefully going to last me another 100K+ miles.
mshu7, glad we're straight on this.
I've owned a lot of GM/Fords in my life as has my family.
I would like nothing more than to lust after another one.
The new Camaro is promising, from what I've seen.
The Sky is a knockout - my neighbor bought one.
Lots filled with H3/H3s and other jumbo SUVs is bad timing, but again, THEY set the focus on that market with apparently not a thought as to what might happen with gas prices - short-sighted as we're in a war and all in the Middle East...
Scott
I've owned a lot of GM/Fords in my life as has my family.
I would like nothing more than to lust after another one.
The new Camaro is promising, from what I've seen.
The Sky is a knockout - my neighbor bought one.
Lots filled with H3/H3s and other jumbo SUVs is bad timing, but again, THEY set the focus on that market with apparently not a thought as to what might happen with gas prices - short-sighted as we're in a war and all in the Middle East...
Scott
I'm starting to wonder why nobody has emulated the iPod interface. It is fully documented, and it could be used to interface more than just iPods to car stereos. It could be used for Sirius and XM tuners, and other mp3 players or even CD changers. I suppose the interface could be patented, but it is more or less a CD changer protocol that supports title and artist information (CD text) and that has existed since 1997 at least (iPod came out in 2001) so there is prior art.
I have made money on a car before. I bought a 1991 Ford Escort that needed a clutch for $200 (it had 170,000 miles and according to the previous owner, it had never needed any repairs, only maintenance). My brother drove it and sold it a year later for $400 still needing a clutch.
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