GM 8 Speed Automatic-Lawsuit

I thought these 8 and 10 speed auto's were stupid and overcomplicated, until I tried one. You have a gear for everything. No revving or lugging, although i don't mind some revs.
They also improve performance. 2014+ Durangos for example are about a full second faster 0-60 and 50-70 than the 2011-2013 5/6 speed equipped models, despite having the same exact hp and torque and going to a taller final drive (3.45 for 2011-2013 and 3.09 for 2014+ v8’s).

They also avoid that whole “oh… I can do 90mph in 2nd gear…” thing.
 
I read that they have done something to the 8L90 valve bodies. The newer 8L45 valve body wiring harness is different. But I haven't been able to find it out what changes specifically were made.
 
I really didn't care for the 8 Speed behind the LGX 3.6 in either the CTS or XT5 my family had leased

Rumble stripping sensations, weird shudders, always in the wrong gear

The new 9 Speed is a little better, but I was plenty disappointed with a 2023 XT5 I drove it in

Maybe they've done some stuff to it 🤷‍♂️
Plenty disappointed with the 3.6L LGX and 9 speed in the Cadillac XT5 how?
 
Plenty disappointed with the 3.6L LGX and 9 speed in the Cadillac XT5 how?
The shifts seemed slow and lazy
Yet kickdown was rather abrupt
Maybe it's PCM calibrations and my tastes just didn't get along, but I found it neither luxurious, sporty, or efficient
Kind of a miserable compromise
Sport mode helped, a bit

I know the LGX is a good engine with responsive power, the 2012 SRX Performance we had with the 6 speed automatic was really something else
I was learning to drive around the time we had it, you could hustle that thing along a back road quite nicely, yet reasonable economy
The later models with the 8/9 speeds just don't feel right for me
Maybe it's the ratios? Or the MPG centric shift strategy
But she's leased 6 Cadillacs over the past 20 years, and it seems every one has been a downgrade 😳
 
I have the 8 speed in my 2018 GMC Sierra, only option with the 6.2L. I got it with about 32K miles, after a few months of driving I noticed when cold it would do the hard 1-2 shift. Never had the rumble strip feeling, saw the TSB for the fluid exchange, and had my local dealer do it. I'm at 50K now and I fortunately haven't had any issues with it since then. I know they say that the original fluid absorbed water, which caused the issues, but I also believe that the programming is also the issue. I've seen a number of people who have tuned the transmission and it significantly improved operation for those that were having the worst of the problems.
 
3.6 in my '20 Traverse w/9 speed shifts just fine. Slow driving with all those gears upshifting is a big change from a 4 or 6 speed.
Hammer down and it's right there. Have a 3.6 Equinox 6 speed also.
Cadoo programming may be different as it's a Cadilac. TCM learns driver patterns also.
Just did a 30k drop and fill in the Traverse with M1 LV HP.
10 speed in my 6.2 Silverado shifts a lot, getting used to extra gears is the big thing in modern vehicles. Especially for an old guy who has cycled through Powerglides, Turbo 350/400 and up through the 4 speeds to now 10 speeds.
 
Despite this unit having a long trouble history of TC shudder, it's one of my favorite automatics I've had LOL. It shifts very smoothly and the 3.6L LGZ is a reliable engine. I do get the odd 1-2 shift first thing in the morning. I go slow and once it's shifted for that first time it never happens again.
 
The 8 speed was my biggest hesitation buying my 2022 GMC Canyon last year. Especially coming from the ZF 8 Speed. The only complaint I have so far is very minor. When it's cool out(lower 50's or below) the first shift is rough if not warmed up. Other than that, it shifts very smoothly and is always in the right gear. Pretty much exactly as buster said.

Given it's been out for a while though, the tranny certainly should be cleaned up by this point in time.
 
TCM learns driver patterns also.
Not to be pedantic, but this keeps getting repeated about many different transmissions and it is just wrong.

Adaptive learning in transmissions are for learning how the transmission is working internally and adapting to differences in clutch fill times, apply rates, clutch slippage, etc. It isn't about learning anyone's driving style regardless of what a salesperson (or that clown FordBossMe) might tell you.

This is why all manufacturers have a very specific relearn procedure that you're supposed to follow when you wipe the adaptive tables, specifically to take the driver OUT of the relearn procedure.
 
Not to be pedantic, but this keeps getting repeated about many different transmissions and it is just wrong.

Adaptive learning in transmissions are for learning how the transmission is working internally and adapting to differences in clutch fill times, apply rates, clutch slippage, etc. It isn't about learning anyone's driving style regardless of what a salesperson (or that clown FordBossMe) might tell you.

This is why all manufacturers have a very specific relearn procedure that you're supposed to follow when you wipe the adaptive tables, specifically to take the driver OUT of the relearn procedure.
It's nice to see a post by someone who actually understands the process.
 
Large Corporation Strikes Again.

This is about what you would expect out of corporate America these days.

They knew there was a problem and developed a fix. 100% of their transmissions were going to fail, regardless of where in the country they were.

Instead of 'fixing' all of the unsold vehicles, they only fixed the ones in areas they thought would cause them the most problems.

They didn't notify owners that there was a solvable problem to avoid paying for new fluid and only fixed cars that came back with the complaint. If the trans crapped just after warranty, too bad.

From the official class action complaint that was released in April I'm just getting around to reading through:

https://www.cohenmilstein.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Complaint-Ulrich-v-GM-April-17-2024.pdf

6. With respect to the ATF defect, GM developed a fix in 2018 (a flush with a conventional fluid it calls Mod1a). GM was aware that its proprietary ATF (212b and Option B) would fail in the presence of water and over time. GM however decided three things antithetical to good corporate citizenry. First, it forewent paying for a field action to replace for free all purchasers of its 8L transmissions made between 2014 and March 1, 2019. GM engineers encouraged the program, which at about $305 a vehicle would have cost GM about $592M. ECF No. 206-11, PageID.12487; ECF No. 206-12, PageID.12494. But in March of 2019, GM management rejected this request, but limited the flush to unsold vehicles. ECF No. 220-3, PageID.14608. Second, GM rejected even doing an Mod1a fluid flush even for all of its unsold vehicles that still had the defective transmission fluids. GM could have spent $73M to flush out all 240,893 unsold 8L vehicles in June of 2019. Id., PageID.7169. Instead, GM only replaced the defective ATF in 6,518 unsold Cadillacs and trucks in certain states where it expected customers to complain within warranty. ECF No.177-3, PageID.7168-7169. GM sold the remaining vehicles knowing it had an ATF that would fail over time. Finally, GM never alerted existing customers that it had a new ATF. Instead, GM decided that it would cover fluid flushes if the customer was under warranty and complained about Shudder to a dealer. ECF No. 200-15, PageID.11657. Essentially, GM hoped the customers would not learn about the fix for the problem GM created until after their warranty period elapsed. Several purchasers including Plaintiffs Dale Bland and Jacob and Britney Brellenthin wound up paying for the Mod1a fluid flush themselves after their warranty expired.
 
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Large Corporation Strikes Again.

This is about what you would expect out of corporate America these days.

They knew there was a problem and developed a fix. 100% of their transmissions were going to fail, regardless of where in the country they were.

Instead of 'fixing' all of the unsold vehicles, they only fixed the ones in areas they thought would cause them the most problems.

They didn't notify owners that there was a solvable problem to avoid paying for new fluid and only fixed cars that came back with the complaint. If the trans crapped just after warranty, too bad.
Yeah it's pretty bad. The dealer I go to does not see many issues with the Colorado AT. It was mostly the 18-20 model. I've also read they made some changes to the torque converter on 22's. I'm not sure though. Bad design. You'll still hear about some here and there on 21's. The new fluid seems to have solved most of the problem and needs to be kept up with. There are a few guys on the CF page that have 150-200k and never a problem. I will be curious to see how the new ones hold up in the Gen 3.
 
grandfather had a 2018 6.2/8l90 and he sold that truck with 10k miles on it when they put the third transmission in it. went to a new at the time 19’ model with the 6.2/10speed and hasn’t looked back since. he drives them until 35k miles then trades them in. regardless of the make/transmission, i don’t believe the longevity is there when compared to say a 4L80e.
 
Yeah it's pretty bad. The dealer I go to does not see many issues with the Colorado AT. It was mostly the 18-20 model. I've also read they made some changes to the torque converter on 22's. I'm not sure though. Bad design. You'll still hear about some here and there on 21's. The new fluid seems to have solved most of the problem and needs to be kept up with. There are a few guys on the CF page that have 150-200k and never a problem. I will be curious to see how the new ones hold up in the Gen 3.

But, will they (And others) learn their lesson to stop being corporate twerps? Probably not is my guess. Always something for us consumers to watch our backs about.
 
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