Ghosts...

[jcwit]

Why would you have long shutter time in camera's in 1943.

One of the most popular ones back then was the Kodak Brownie and it didn't have a very slow shutter speed.

 

[GMFan]

I have some beach front property in Arizona to sell you. You can fall asleep to the sound of the ocean waves at night. Only $99.99 an acre. All sales are final.

 

[Benzadmiral]

In late '88 and early '89, I lived with my cat Arizona in an upstairs apartment in one of the oldest areas of town. I never saw or felt anything disturbing about the place. But he refused to go into the bathroom unless I was in there already, and would leave when I did. No hissing or growling, or staring at anything I couldn't see, but he'd never done anything like that before.

After I moved out, the landlord told me the tenant before me had apparently been into some spooky stuff. Lots of black candle wax everywhere, and she'd painted the bathroom walls black. He had to repaint the room before he could rent the apartment again. . . .

 

[RazorsEdge]

Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant

Give me a dog for a buddy any day over a person.

 

[rat]

Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Originally Posted By: gman2304
'Both my wife and I are intelligent, rational people. Both atheists.'


^ LOL!

What is funny about that?

Yes, please explain.


I think the implication is that one cannot claim to be intelligent and rational while denying that we as humans were created with intelligent design, by a creator.

 

[Wolf359]

Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
Bingo. Both my wife and I are intelligent, rational people. Both atheists. And we've both seen/felt that ghost cat.

We both believe that there is more going on around us than we can see and we are both open to that on a scientific level.


It's all DNA. Are there ghost plants? Feeling something that's not there is actually a known phenomenon, it's called Phantom vibration syndrome, you can look up the wiki on it. Probably the same with the cat, you feel your cat brushing up on you and you've grown to anticipate it even when it's not there. It's not a ghost.


Wrong! Pets like dogs, cats and even horses have souls and can subject us to connectivity with them. And to the moderators here, souls are not religious, so don't preclude I'm talking religion. Even atheists have souls.


Prove it. What are the specs for it? Do chickens, birds, pigs have souls? What about insects like ants and bees? And how is it different for plants which have the same DNA structure?

Also, if souls are not religious, then why isn't it mentioned in any scientific literature and why isn't it a generally accepted fact? The only place they're mentioned are in religious texts.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Wolf
You won't notice past / current animals of your lifetime, until you pass. That will be your proof. If you had a pet chicken and interacted-positive with it, he/she will find / visit you in the afterlife.

Would you ask me to prove there is air, if it weren't for it's pressured wind? Do you even realize that you lived prior to your earthy life? There are millions of invisible activities circulating around you every week. Some of what you can't see even shields/protects you from time-to-time. If you haven't felt any type of paranormal existence yet, odds are you never will.

Believe (afterlife) and it shall come to be (in this life). Learn Meditation. It's a great first step in that direction. In the meantime seek faith from Rome. Learn and Practice it. That's step #2.

 

[Shannow]

Believing in ghosts isn't religion...there's a difference.

Funny story from 9 years back.

Son (about 2 yo) sitting in front yard, gazing between two tree ferns.

"Daddy, there's a cat that lives between those two trees.
He's glad that you let him stay"

Me: what does he look like ?

"He's black and white, and really fluffy."

Me: Have you been talking to him ?

"No, don't be silly, he talks to Violet (his imaginary friend), and Violet told me".

Now as to rational explaination, we DID have a fluffy black and white cat (Curly Bill), who we buried at that spot and planted a couple of tree ferns over him...8 years before we had kids.

Our 19 year old black and white cat is a short haired, and extremely territorial, so there's never been a fluffy black and white cat on our block.

 

[Wolf359]

Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Wolf
You won't notice past / current animals of your lifetime, until you pass. That will be your proof. If you had a pet chicken and interacted-positive with it, he/she will find / visit you in the afterlife.

Would you ask me to prove there is air, if it weren't for it's pressured wind? Do you even realize that you lived prior to your earthy life? There are millions of invisible activities circulating around you every week. Some of what you can't see even shields/protects you from time-to-time. If you haven't felt any type of paranormal existence yet, odds are you never will.

Believe (afterlife) and it shall come to be (in this life). Learn Meditation. It's a great first step in that direction. In the meantime seek faith from Rome. Learn and Practice it. That's step #2.


There are so many things wrong in your message that I don't even know where to start. Let's start with the concept of proof. That means you prove it now, not later. And yes, I'd ask you to prove air, you could pull a vacuum measure the density of it, pressure, etc. And how do you prove that I've lived prior to this earthly life? How do you prove/show invisible activities? How do you know it shields/protects you? Maybe it tries to push you into the path of cars and attempts to harm you most of the time, but fails, but it's successfully enough that thousands die on the road every year. And how do I know it's paranormal? Does that mean I know everything that's normal and therefore will be able to determine what's paranormal? Whatever happened to logic and reasoning? The basics of any proof is to show that your premises are true.

 

[eljefino]

Originally Posted By: Wolf359

Also, if souls are not religious, then why isn't it mentioned in any scientific literature and why isn't it a generally accepted fact? The only place they're mentioned are in religious texts.


Science is a religion too! You have a book of rules and how to do stuff (scientific method) and if you stray from the accepted path and proclaim your results as "science" your peers review/slam you as though you're a heretic!

Science even has a very arrogant "duh, it's a fact, b/c I said so, b/c we all said so" canon.

100 years ago before the split between religion and science was so feud-y, a dude tried applying scientific method to weigh souls when people died. "Found" they weighed 21 grams.

http://rationallyspeaking.blogspot.com/2007/03/does-soul-weigh-21-grams.html

 

[Cujet]

I thought this thread was about the rock band "ghost".

 

[spasm3]

While i don't discount the possible existence of paranormal things, because i just don't know.

I do believe this to be lens flare. older photographic lenses lacked multi coatings that prevented interglass reflections and sometimes you can even see the shape of the aperture in the shape of the flare. the sun is behind the subjects ( on the corner of the house)and high enough to flare into the lens. Look closely at the shape of the anomaly at the window. I think i can see the aperture shape in it.

 

[hpb]

I have no idea what "it" is, but what a great conversation starter! Although, as an atheist, maybe I'm not intelligent enough to take part in any discussion...

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Lens Glare that high-up in a 1943 photo -- with a Beatle haircut too?....... hahahaha

Notice the translucency and how the window sill cuts into the head (haircut)? That's how Spirit really is....... holographic and can transmit-thru just about anything on our planet.

 

[Pop_Rivit]

Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
The Civil War soldier that took his life in the attic, left behind a young male son around 10 years-old, at the time of dad's death.
That's him just outside the upstairs window. I sense he's there on a spiritual visit to see his father, whom I also sense was trapped in that home (for unknown reasons).

At the time of this photo, the son's energy-level was very strong. Very little translucency or holographic transmission of him present there.


Well let me find some tinfoil, wrap it around my head, and see what I get from it.

I'm sensing that it's one of the flying monkeys from the Wizard of Oz who got sucked back to our world in the same tornado that took Dorothy and Toto to Oz. I sense he's still looking for the wicked witch, but can't find her because Dorothy melted her. The poor flying monkey doesn't know that and he's still looking, even though he died years before the photo was taken. The poor monkey doesn't even know he's dead, but his energy level is fading; that's why he looks like nothing more than a photographic anomaly in the picture. A few years after the photo was taken, I'm sensing that the monkey faded from existence and disappeared with a small popping sound and a wisp of grey smoke.

I can make up nonsense stories too!

 

[Triple_Se7en]

It's not always nonsense Rivit.
I am a freelance Spirit Reader (Whisperer) in real life. Not good enough to warrant making a living of it. It comes and goes in cycles with me. I cannot depend on it for daily readings at a business location. My calling is part-time and infrequent and I've witnessed many-many episodes of Spirit arrivals / departures.

Can't prove it and there's not a Medium anywhere on earth with the capacity to bring-forth Spirit on a whim. I call it a Gift to help people find closure. I am really an Articles Whisperer. I can take your Grandma's belongings (favorite shirt and watch example) wear it to bed and many times connect with her in my dreams.

I am done here. Just wanted to add a few things to this thread.

 

[JTK]

Quite sure I'll be an angry ghost if I wind-up where Pop-Rivet is in the afterlife..

 

[Pop_Rivit]

Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
It's not always nonsense Rivit.


Yes, it is. It's been proven to be nonsense time after time after time. There isn't a single shred of evidence to prove that it isn't.
Put together an experiment. Gather 10 mediums, seers, psychics, fortune tellers or any other name you want to call them. With no prior knowledge of what is in the photo and no prior contact or conversation about the photo, have each one look at the photo and "read" it. If they all have the same story about the "anomaly", then I'll be a believer. If just 8 of them have the same story, then I'll be a believer. It should be pretty easy to do; anyone who considers themselves to be anything more than a carnival con man would be eager to prove their skills.

Let me guess-your next comment would have been "it doesn't work that way". That's what I thought.

Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
I am done here. Just wanted to add a few things to this thread.


Why? If you really believe in it, then I would encourage you to stand up and prove me wrong. Provide the factual evidence that shows psychics are nothing more than someone who is a clever con artist. Provide proof and I'll be the most vocal proponent. Until then I'll continue to believe that psychics are nothing more than shysters that prey on the weak minded.

Originally Posted By: JTK
Quite sure I'll be an angry ghost if I wind-up where Pop-Rivet is in the afterlife..


Grow up. If you want to contribute to the debate then do so constructively.

 

[yeti]

Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
This picture is from 1943. This old farm house was built in the early 1700's and had three editions built to it prior to the Civil War. My grandmother is the lady at the right. Back in those days many funerals were held at the house.
As a kid this was a very spooky place. Knick knacks in the parlor room would move up and down the fireplace mantel and you would see shadows and hear many voices. This house was part of the "underground railroad" and its huge barns burned down in the Civil War.

I dug up this picture the other day and it was pretty much unknown. Sorry it is a picture of a picture but notice the open window up at the left....................




this thread is hilarious.
to assume that that mark is a ghost, per the thread title, is absurd ... but funny.

using your logic:
-what about the "squiggly" line in the lower left window ? must be a ghost.

-what about the second from the lower left window ... a grey spot with a small black dot? must be a ghost.

-what about the white thing on the grass, in front of the lady on the left ? must be a ghost.

-what about the purple object to the right of the woman on the right ?a ghost that's a Vikings fan ?

can't explain these things in the picture, so they could be/have to be ghosts. wow.

I don't believe in ghosts, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist. who knows?

at any rate,thanks for a late morning laugh. wait -- I see a smudge on my monitor. don't know what it is ... must be a ghost. lol.
have a good day.

 

[doitmyself]

yeti,

you missed the face-like apparition in the broken foundation immediately to the left of the larger woman (at thigh level).


Pretty much a non debate if either side(s) cannot provide any facts or proof. Anecdotal evidence is just that, anecdotal.

At least three major religions do believe in ghosts. Millions of opinions vs. millions of opinions. Thats all we have here. But, I agree, it is entertaining watching some of you get your knickers in a bunch over this. It just depends on which flavor of kool aid you succumb to.