Getting away from synthetics

[Propflux01]

Short lived? Look at this another way, PP @ $23.00 per jug, changed at 10K intervals. Pennzoil YB @ $12.00 per jug changed at 5K intervals. Add to the fact I KNOW YB will do 5K "easily". PP 'MAY' do 10K "easily". Also add that with the double change amount, I have on average less dilution, less dirt ( because I am changing it out sooner intervals) and about the same cost. And those 'short-lived' pleasures with the other half might just make life alittle better.

 

[Audi Junkie]

I use synth when I can get it for the price of dino. Otherwise, if I'm buying oil fool price, it's dino.

 

[webfors]

Remember most people go and spend $30 - $40 on an oil change at a lube shop, or at the dealer. Many who use syn decided to DIY and put some of the savings into using a better product.

I keep seeing the argument that you have to go double the oci to get the same value, but the additional oil filter on the 5k oci is never calculated into the cost, neither is the extra time to do the work. These are not free, a filter cost $5-10 and my time is worth about $50/hour personally, so syn is WAAY cheaper in my book

round and round we go

 

[tonycarguy]

I use synthetic in my daily driver so I can extend the OCI by 75%. The time savings is worth the additional $8 cost, not to mention there's less environmental waste.

If everyone switched to syn and increased their OCI by 75%, it would help the Earth a lot but put half of the Jiffy Lubes out of business.

 

[Bambam]

I've been a long time synthetic user,until now. Look at uoa's posted here,most,like me never went more than 7k before changing. Is there any real reason to use synthetic??? Dino oil these days can handle that(within reason). Relate it to buying filet mignon and grinding it up to make hamburger,great quality but not utilized for what it was truely intended.

 

[webfors]

Subaru Canada wants oci's of 3750 miles. I agree, use dino if you stick to that ridiculously short oci. I would prefer to double that oci and use syn. That's what I'm working towards. It's not always about the miles an oil *can* do, but what makes sense and gives a person peace of mind.

7500 miles seems like a good compromise between a reasonable and extended oci and ends up saving me money when compared to a dino oci at 3750 miles.

 

[ZZman]

Dino might be able to handle it but will it handle it as well as Syn Oil? Will the engine internals be as clean? Will the engine be at its peak efficiency?

As mentioned in other places, UOA's don't tell the whole story, tear downs do. Most people who tear down engines running Syn oil are pretty happy with what they see.

**This is no different than any other consumer product I guess. Some people want the best whether it is oil, jeans, cars, liquor whatever.

 

[FrankN4]

Originally Posted By: ZZman
Dino might be able to handle it but will it handle it as well as Syn Oil? Will the engine internals be as clean? Will the engine be at its peak efficiency?

As mentioned in other places, UOA's don't tell the whole story, tear downs do. Most people who tear down engines running Syn oil are pretty happy with what they see.

**This is no different than any other consumer product I guess. Some people want the best whether it is oil, jeans, cars, liquor whatever.

Mobil 1 15W-50 and Kentucky Bourbon.

 

[lexus114]

"Dino might be able to handle it but will it handle it as well as Syn Oil? Will the engine internals be as clean? Will the engine be at its peak efficiency?"

as long as its changed properly yes.synthetic is good for extended drain intervals,and extreme cold.conventional oil is all you really need.

 

[lexus114]

hey tim h.....Arkansastan

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: ZZman
Dino might be able to handle it but will it handle it as well as Syn Oil? Will the engine internals be as clean? Will the engine be at its peak efficiency?

As mentioned in other places, UOA's don't tell the whole story, tear downs do. Most people who tear down engines running Syn oil are pretty happy with what they see.

**This is no different than any other consumer product I guess. Some people want the best whether it is oil, jeans, cars, liquor whatever.


Yes with conventional on all your questions.

I don't want to tear down my perfectly well running motors. Even after 200, 340k.

I'll keep running them, thank you.

People who think that the "best" is only judged by cost or label.

"Best" is what works. Not some marketing plan.

Bill

 

[ZZman]

Lexus114: You forgot high heat conditions.

And what would be considered "changed properly"? 3,000 miles, 5,000 miles?

Most oil companies do not claim their Syn oils are for long OCI's. They will say they are for better protection and performance for the same OCI that you would run a Dino. Not to say you can't run a PP or Synpower for a long OCI, but the oil companies will not say that though.

 

[wtd]

I quit using synthetics years ago. Oil analysis did not show that I could go longer on oil changes and I had worse wear values using it compared to the Havoline dino I use. My engine was also noisier using synthetics vs conventional. I was not getting my money's worth using synthetics.

I'm not keeping any kind of oil in my car for 10,000 miles. Synthetics get contaminated just like conventional oil does. I also like to examine under the hood a little more often than 7,500 to 10,000 miles. A lot of people have the mindset that since their oil can go many miles before a change, they don't have to look under the hood until then.

I'm not saying synthetics are bad, but they are not for me anymore. I was a long time user of synthetics who went back to conventional oil and have not had any oil related failures.

Most people don't even keep their vehicles long enough to realize the "so called benefits of synthetics". Seems like everyone trades in after 3-5 years.

Wayne

 

[gwdriver]

Frank-mine is M1 10W-30 and Makers Mark, an excellent combo!

 

[Steve S]

Originally Posted By: wtd
I quit using synthetics years ago. Oil analysis did not show that I could go longer on oil changes and I had worse wear values using it compared to the Havoline dino I use. My engine was also noisier using synthetics vs conventional. I was not getting my money's worth using synthetics.

I'm not keeping any kind of oil in my car for 10,000 miles. Synthetics get contaminated just like conventional oil does. I also like to examine under the hood a little more often than 7,500 to 10,000 miles. A lot of people have the mindset that since their oil can go many miles before a change, they don't have to look under the hood until then.

I'm not saying synthetics are bad, but they are not for me anymore. I was a long time user of synthetics who went back to conventional oil and have not had any oil related failures.

Most people don't even keep their vehicles long enough to realize the "so called benefits of synthetics". Seems like everyone trades in after 3-5 years.

Wayne
Thank you!!!!

 

[Propflux01]

Originally Posted By: wtd
A lot of people have the mindset that since their oil can go many miles before a change, they don't have to look under the hood until then.


Watch that blasphemy!! You'll get accused of 'covering'....

 

[Propflux01]

Originally Posted By: lexus114
hey tim h.....Arkansastan

I noticed the other day someone else on here had 'Kansastan' as well!

 

[Dupree]

Originally Posted By: cp3
What do you consider a very cold climate?


how about 20-30 below zero for two weeks at a time

Engine heater is required if I want to start in the morning. I had to put a transmission heater in two years ago, because the transmission wouldnt shift into overdrive, (overdrive solenoid freezing). Yes I run synthetics in it.

 

[JonnyHotcakes]

Originally Posted By: ZZman
Originally Posted By: Steve S
I would rather spend the $10.00 to $20.00 difference per year saved on oil on something better.


Like what Steve S? Expensive Latte's, Expensive Steak?, A movie out with the other half? All those are short lived pleasures. Doesn't your car deserve to be treated well for all those hard working miles it puts in day in and day out?........

I'll take an expensive steak over synthetic oil any day.

 

[Jaymus]

How about an expensive steak marinated in synthetic oil?