Getting away from synthetics
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Originally Posted By: stockrex
Synthetics now cost $6 a quart,
you can get 5 qts with filter for $9 buck.
it is not a few smacks,
multiply that by x times a year.
you might want to ask you wallet which is doable for you.
Sure, it does depend on the person, and to some extent the condition of the car.
But let's use reasonable numbers here. Forget about the filter cost (should be the same) and forget about any sales (or else I will have to quote the $29.95 deal at Advance Auto Parts for 5 quarts of any M1, including EP, plus a M1 filter).
At Walmart, a 5-quart jug of Mobil 1 costs $26.00 in most places. 5-quart jug of a good quality conventional oil costs about $14.00. You can sometimes get cheaper on both the conventional and the synthetic (like PP or even the Walmart house brand), but these are averages.
So assuming that one does 2 oil changes per year, that is about $24.00 or 16 cokes at a fast food restaurant per year.
For those who do oil changes at 3,000 mile intervals, you can easily go 5,000 miles on a synthetic and the cost difference is close to zero.
Synthetics now cost $6 a quart,
you can get 5 qts with filter for $9 buck.
it is not a few smacks,
multiply that by x times a year.
you might want to ask you wallet which is doable for you.
Sure, it does depend on the person, and to some extent the condition of the car.
But let's use reasonable numbers here. Forget about the filter cost (should be the same) and forget about any sales (or else I will have to quote the $29.95 deal at Advance Auto Parts for 5 quarts of any M1, including EP, plus a M1 filter).
At Walmart, a 5-quart jug of Mobil 1 costs $26.00 in most places. 5-quart jug of a good quality conventional oil costs about $14.00. You can sometimes get cheaper on both the conventional and the synthetic (like PP or even the Walmart house brand), but these are averages.
So assuming that one does 2 oil changes per year, that is about $24.00 or 16 cokes at a fast food restaurant per year.
For those who do oil changes at 3,000 mile intervals, you can easily go 5,000 miles on a synthetic and the cost difference is close to zero.
my wife actually reminds me to change the oil in her Tahoe "my oil life is at 50%"
Guess I'm one of the lucky ones, but I let it go a little lower than 50% before changing it out
Steve
Guess I'm one of the lucky ones, but I let it go a little lower than 50% before changing it out
Steve
Originally Posted By: stockrex
Synthetics now cost $6 a quart,
you can get 5 qts with filter for $9 buck.
it is not a few smacks,
multiply that by x times a year.
you might want to ask you wallet which is doable for you.
It is defeating the part of syn oils that are syns best advantage long oil change intervals. People just don't understand oils.
Synthetics now cost $6 a quart,
you can get 5 qts with filter for $9 buck.
it is not a few smacks,
multiply that by x times a year.
you might want to ask you wallet which is doable for you.
It is defeating the part of syn oils that are syns best advantage long oil change intervals. People just don't understand oils.
you're talking about cold weather - synthetic, but dino 5w20 is fantastic in the cold, unless you're down to -45 or -50, maybe since it's hydrotreated group II+, I don't know, but I was changing oil yesterday, and the QS dino 5w20 poured way better than the QS synth 5w30. (I am running self-blend 5w25) So if ur manual calls for 5w20, don't worry about using synth. if not, (and mine doesn't, it calls for 30 weight), then blend ur own 5w25, it's close enough to 30 weight that ur engine will be protected. I will eventually published the UOA of the Impreza 2.5 flat four run with 5w25, after I've done a few cycles with this weight. So far, the engine runs really nice, and there is absolutely NO oil usage between 3500 mile changes (severe service in my manual, Canada is by definition severe service).
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I once saw a dude climb into a nice little Porsche 944. As soon as it lit off, he raced the engine up and down several times very high, around 5 or 6k rpm, then he put it in gear and tried to peel out while leaving the parking lot.
That made me very angry and jealous, too. That poor little Porsche didn't deserve that bad treatment.
It was like watching a neighbor kid abusing his "pet" cat or dog.
I once saw a dude climb into a nice little Porsche 944. As soon as it lit off, he raced the engine up and down several times very high, around 5 or 6k rpm, then he put it in gear and tried to peel out while leaving the parking lot.
That made me very angry and jealous, too. That poor little Porsche didn't deserve that bad treatment.
It was like watching a neighbor kid abusing his "pet" cat or dog.
Originally Posted By: Hethaerto
Originally Posted By: lexus114
and you guys in tennessee are fortunate,you have no state inspection!!
True. TN doesn't require registered car owners to actually take care of the vehicles.
I have a problem with this, myself. Virginia has this state inspection law, and buyers of VA cars have a very good chance of buying a used car that's been taken care of because it's the law.
In TN, used car buyers have an excellent chance of buying a car that's never had any preventive maintenance done on it, or even required maintenance. People drive their cars into the dirt and then sell then off to unwary buyers.
That's a good point. I've always liked not having inspection because of my exhaust and what not, but that is a good point about buying used cars. People really run them into the dirt around here. Me, I maintain my vehicles VERY well.
Originally Posted By: lexus114
and you guys in tennessee are fortunate,you have no state inspection!!
True. TN doesn't require registered car owners to actually take care of the vehicles.
I have a problem with this, myself. Virginia has this state inspection law, and buyers of VA cars have a very good chance of buying a used car that's been taken care of because it's the law.
In TN, used car buyers have an excellent chance of buying a car that's never had any preventive maintenance done on it, or even required maintenance. People drive their cars into the dirt and then sell then off to unwary buyers.
That's a good point. I've always liked not having inspection because of my exhaust and what not, but that is a good point about buying used cars. People really run them into the dirt around here. Me, I maintain my vehicles VERY well.
Originally Posted By: Jaymus
Originally Posted By: Hethaerto
Originally Posted By: lexus114
and you guys in tennessee are fortunate,you have no state inspection!!
True. TN doesn't require registered car owners to actually take care of the vehicles.
I have a problem with this, myself. Virginia has this state inspection law, and buyers of VA cars have a very good chance of buying a used car that's been taken care of because it's the law.
In TN, used car buyers have an excellent chance of buying a car that's never had any preventive maintenance done on it, or even required maintenance. People drive their cars into the dirt and then sell then off to unwary buyers.
That's a good point. I've always liked not having inspection because of my exhaust and what not, but that is a good point about buying used cars. People really run them into the dirt around here. Me, I maintain my vehicles VERY well.
You stand alone.
I'm in VA.
Originally Posted By: Hethaerto
Originally Posted By: lexus114
and you guys in tennessee are fortunate,you have no state inspection!!
True. TN doesn't require registered car owners to actually take care of the vehicles.
I have a problem with this, myself. Virginia has this state inspection law, and buyers of VA cars have a very good chance of buying a used car that's been taken care of because it's the law.
In TN, used car buyers have an excellent chance of buying a car that's never had any preventive maintenance done on it, or even required maintenance. People drive their cars into the dirt and then sell then off to unwary buyers.
That's a good point. I've always liked not having inspection because of my exhaust and what not, but that is a good point about buying used cars. People really run them into the dirt around here. Me, I maintain my vehicles VERY well.
You stand alone.
I'm in VA.
I agree with Mark888: People drop silly money on drinks, food, lotto tickets etc... almost everyday and think nothing about it. Paying an extra $ 10-20.00 every 6 months or so for Syn oil shouldn't be a big issue.
Is good, good enough or do you want the best for your car?
Do you change your oil at short intervals or do you like to stretch them out a little or a lot?
Does having your engine run at peak efficiency and cleanliness matter to you?
Are you going to keep this car for the long haul or get rid of it?
Answer these questions and then decide.
Is good, good enough or do you want the best for your car?
Do you change your oil at short intervals or do you like to stretch them out a little or a lot?
Does having your engine run at peak efficiency and cleanliness matter to you?
Are you going to keep this car for the long haul or get rid of it?
Answer these questions and then decide.
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PP @ 5k intervals to Penn YB @ 5k intervals. I don't see that much a benefit of using the PP anymore, especially how many posts on here I see of YB going that far "Easily"....
I like the extended interval of a synthetic. Any synthethic can run 10K and that's the break even point vs a dino oil on a 3k-5k interval.
The smartest thing to do is to spend the least amount necessary to keep your vehicle running. You engine will usually outlast the car it is maintained by the manufactures oci's and with speced oils are used .Oil will not stop parts breaking. I would rather spend the $10.00 to $20.00 difference per year saved on oil on something better.
Go to trade in or sell your car and see what the payback for running syn oil is. That will tell you what it is worth in the real world. Sorry to say this but cars are a depreciating asset. Talk to some one in the car buying,selling,leasing or fleet business.
Originally Posted By: wannafbody
I like the extended interval of a synthetic. Any synthethic can run 10K and that's the break even point vs a dino oil on a 3k-5k interval.
That is my main whoop about syn oil is unless you use syn for its main benefit why spend the extra money for naught.
I like the extended interval of a synthetic. Any synthethic can run 10K and that's the break even point vs a dino oil on a 3k-5k interval.
That is my main whoop about syn oil is unless you use syn for its main benefit why spend the extra money for naught.
Originally Posted By: RISUPERCREWMAN
A synthetic oil will ultimately keep the inside of the engine cleaner with regular change intervals! I plan on keeping my vehicle till the earth gets hit by a Killer Asteroid! So I will continue to use Mobil-1.....
You probably will get rid of it when something expensive happens to it. Your engine will be plenty clean with REGULAR CHANGE INTERVALS.
A synthetic oil will ultimately keep the inside of the engine cleaner with regular change intervals! I plan on keeping my vehicle till the earth gets hit by a Killer Asteroid! So I will continue to use Mobil-1.....
You probably will get rid of it when something expensive happens to it. Your engine will be plenty clean with REGULAR CHANGE INTERVALS.
Originally Posted By: Steve S
Go to trade in or sell your car and see what the payback for running syn oil is. That will tell you what it is worth in the real world. Sorry to say this but cars are a depreciating asset. Talk to some one in the car buying,selling,leasing or fleet business.
Of course it depreciates, but go buy a newer car and see what that cost. I've used synt. for 31 years and have always had some very high mileage, trouble free engines. The average person abuses OCIs with dino, so this person could likely extend the life of their car with synt.
Go to trade in or sell your car and see what the payback for running syn oil is. That will tell you what it is worth in the real world. Sorry to say this but cars are a depreciating asset. Talk to some one in the car buying,selling,leasing or fleet business.
Of course it depreciates, but go buy a newer car and see what that cost. I've used synt. for 31 years and have always had some very high mileage, trouble free engines. The average person abuses OCIs with dino, so this person could likely extend the life of their car with synt.
Originally Posted By: PT1
You forgot: Female drivers who:
1. Start the car at -10F throw it in gear and mash the throttle.
2. Tell you the OLM went off "last month..I think" which means 2-3 months ago.
3. Who do things to an engine that have not been discovered yet.
4. Don't know and don't care that engine oil has to be changed "someday when I get to it"
I know some male drivers who do the same.
Originally Posted By: PT1
Once while having lunch with a co-worker who was complaining that his GF went 16,000 miles on her BMW 3 series without changing the oil and now the engine was using a quart every 1,000 miles...I encouraged him to use synthetic oil in all of her cars in the future.
Isn't that a normal OCI on a modern BMW? I thought the OCI spec'd by BMW was up to 15,000 miles with a synthetic oil. Me personally, I probably wouldn't go that long...but BMW seems to think that you can.
You forgot: Female drivers who:
1. Start the car at -10F throw it in gear and mash the throttle.
2. Tell you the OLM went off "last month..I think" which means 2-3 months ago.
3. Who do things to an engine that have not been discovered yet.
4. Don't know and don't care that engine oil has to be changed "someday when I get to it"
I know some male drivers who do the same.
Originally Posted By: PT1
Once while having lunch with a co-worker who was complaining that his GF went 16,000 miles on her BMW 3 series without changing the oil and now the engine was using a quart every 1,000 miles...I encouraged him to use synthetic oil in all of her cars in the future.
Isn't that a normal OCI on a modern BMW? I thought the OCI spec'd by BMW was up to 15,000 miles with a synthetic oil. Me personally, I probably wouldn't go that long...but BMW seems to think that you can.
I use Castrol GTX in my truck mixed with SYNTEC. I got my GTX from Wally's a few month's ago. It was $10.00 a 5 quart jug. I got 15 of them. And I got the quart bottles of SYNTEC. 143,000+ miles on my Durango now. 5 quarts of GTX + 2 quarts SYNTEC. I will be doing this for awhile. I have alot of oil to go through. My new Outback get's PP 5w-40 European. I got 4 cases of this but when it is gone I am going to switch to the Yellow Bottle. I drive 100+ miles a day all highway. I have read here that the YB is a very good oil. My bud's swear by it. I will be making the switch!!
Originally Posted By: Steve S
I would rather spend the $10.00 to $20.00 difference per year saved on oil on something better.
Like what Steve S? Expensive Latte's, Expensive Steak?, A movie out with the other half? All those are short lived pleasures. Doesn't your car deserve to be treated well for all those hard working miles it puts in day in and day out?........
I would rather spend the $10.00 to $20.00 difference per year saved on oil on something better.
Like what Steve S? Expensive Latte's, Expensive Steak?, A movie out with the other half? All those are short lived pleasures. Doesn't your car deserve to be treated well for all those hard working miles it puts in day in and day out?........
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