G Oil Racing 5W30 VOA

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Can this Ester oil be used in any engine?
The 3 of us, myself, wife, daughter, are going to W*M for the 5qt jugs of syn G-OIL 5W30 @$26.00(FAR)from the forms that I printed from the Rebate section here.
 
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Can this Ester oil be used in any engine?


Just be advised, no one has proven this oil has any ester(s) in it.

And don't be swayed by an oil just because it says "Racing" on the package.

The exception would be Valvoline Racing oil, Amsoil Dominator, and Redline's racing oils.
 
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Just be advised, no one has proven this oil has any ester(s) in it.


Not sure how any of us could "prove" that, but according to the manufacturer, their motor oil contains at least one ester, Methyl Oleate, for lowering the pour point.

I'm not claiming that makes it an ester-based oil, but unless GET is lying to us, and getting away with it, it has at least one ester it.

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Green Motor Oil (G-OIL) has several advantages over crude or other oils including synthetics:
[SNIP]
* The unsaturated fatty ester, Methyl Oleate, helps to lower the pour point.
[SNIP]

http://www.getg.com/whyBenefits.php
 
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I'm not claiming that makes it an ester-based oil, but unless GET is lying to us, and getting away with it, it has at least one ester it.



I was answering a post in which the poster seemed to think the base oil had a significant ester component. I don't think it has. There may be a small amount of fractionated tallowate present.

Methyl oleate is a methyl ester solvent and would be considered an additive component.

From:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/additives-xii-multifunctional-additives.41173/

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Pour Point Depressant (Performance Additive): polymethacrylates (PMA's); reducing wax crystal formation and increases solvency of oil at low temperatures. May be part of VII package.



Any component that increases solvency of oil at low temps and reduces wax (crystal) formation would fit the definition of pour point depressent.

But methyl oleates (and most of the methyl esters) are very low viscosity fluids and would most likely volatize or burn off the first time the engine was in highway operation.

I suspect the methyl oleate is used to help solve the tallowate in the base oil.

Consider this, since most esters and PAO's have pour points down past -20F, why would you need a pour-point depressant unless the majority base fluid was a mineral oil?
 
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MolaKule, I misjudged the context of your post -- ester-based vs. "any ester(s)". I was reading your post literally.

I agree, one additive ester, does not an ester-based oil make. I did point out, however, that it's purpose was to lower the pour point and didn't imply any other performance characteristic.

Your point about methyl oleate's volatility gives me concern about running the oil in the winter, though.

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Consider this, since most esters and PAO's have pour points down past -20F, why would you need a pour-point depressant unless the majority base fluid was a mineral oil?


Originally Posted By: OilNerd
I'm not claiming that makes it an ester-based oil, but unless GET is lying to us, and getting away with it, it has at least one ester it.
 
I like the idea of G-oil and here is why:

In the following order

1. Made in the USA -(Frankly, I think its neat that it was born in the USA not China)

2. Its relatively cheap and meets many specs.

3. Behind all my fossil fuel burning (Read: V8 Mustang, M3, Ducati 749 ), I actually like the idea that we won't run out of chicken oil or whatever this stuff is made out of. -And therefor, have no need to tap the Alaska wildlife preserve or deal with the Bull Sh*t baggage that comes with foreign oil.
Why settle for the status quo?!

Now if I could only find it for sale somewhere...
 
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Originally Posted By: needsducktape
I like the idea of G-oil and here is why:

In the following order

1. Made in the USA -(Frankly, I think its neat that it was born in the USA not China)

2. Its relatively cheap and meets many specs.

3. Behind all my fossil fuel burning (Read: V8 Mustang, M3, Ducati 749 ), I actually like the idea that we won't run out of chicken oil or whatever this stuff is made out of. -And therefor, have no need to tap the Alaska wildlife preserve or deal with the Bull Sh*t baggage that comes with foreign oil.
Why settle for the status quo?!

Now if I could only find it for sale somewhere...


Amazon
 
Originally Posted By: 123Saab
Since I'm not very good at understanding all these numbers, Is there anything there that would indicate how well this oil cleans?

Thanks
That's my concern as well. When I browse oils across the shelves (or the Internet) based on reading the bottle(s), or the ad-packs online; some oils appear to be more geared toward "cleaning" (Pennzoil conventional; Mobil Super 5000, for example), while others are geared towards "protection" and plain "lubrication" (various QS lines, for example.....).

Where does this G-Oil sit? Is it a "high detergency" oil meant for clean up, or more for "protection" and stopping wear?
 
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
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Can this Ester oil be used in any engine?


Just be advised, no one has proven this oil has any ester(s) in it.

And don't be swayed by an oil just because it says "Racing" on the package.

The exception would be Valvoline Racing oil, Amsoil Dominator, and Redline's racing oils.


I think you are correct with you doubt!

I just checked G-oil (the non-racing version) in my oilyser and it reads 2-3, just like a typical good group 3 oil.

Esther based oils (like redline) read out of scale on oilyser due to polarity.
 
It does say it contains a POE but this is not a general CAS designation for a POE.

It may be an internal code.

I do know they use a methyl ester as a solvent but no methyl ester nor POE I am aware of has a CAS number like this.
 
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Elements PPM

ALUMINUM 0

CHROMIUM 0

IRON 0

COPPER 0

LEAD 0

TIN 0

MOLYBDENUM 29

NICKEL 0

MANGANESE 0

SILVER 0

TITANIUM 0

POTASSIUM 1

BORON 160

SILICON 2

SODIUM 1

CALCIUM 1193

MAGNESIUM 4

PHOSPHORUS 441

ZINC 541

BARIUM 0



cSt Viscosity @ 100°C 58.0

SUS Viscosity @ 210°F 9.64

Flashpoint in °F 385

Fuel % --

Antifreeze % 0.0

Water % 0.0

Insolubles % 0.0

TBN 9.7

TAN

ISO Code




VOA in text format
 
i hate to say this, but i would never ever use any recycled product!!!! extrememly lame!!!this oil would be an insult to my vehicles and to any other vehicles!!! i love overkilll only good fresh stuff....lol
 
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
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...tiny spherical shaped particles


Of what?

According to their website:

"Excellent lubricity (superior performance can be achieved by introducing Molybdenum disulfide nanospheres)"...
 
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i hate to say this, but i would never ever use any recycled product!!!! extrememly lame!!!this oil would be an insult to my vehicles and to any other vehicles!!! i love overkilll only good fresh stuff....lol


There is nothing wrong with re-refined oils such as Safety Kleen. They are as good as any GroupII oils.
 
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