Funny Story About Kia Sorento

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Maybe you guys won't find this as funny as I did...
My wife has a 2009 Kia Sorento. It's been a very reliable car and has given us very little trouble. A few weeks ago, she comes home home and says the CEL is on in the dash.
I went out, put the code reader on it and it said P0016. Bank A Cam Sensor.
I looked into it and found the cam angle sensors on the rear of the two valve covers. The A bank is under the intake plenum so while I was in there, I also changed the spark plugs. Whole job took just less than two hours. Car's back to normal and she's happy.
Last week, CEL comes back on. I scan it, P0018... Cam Angle Sensor, Bank B. I guess those things have a working life of around 80,000 miles.
Thankfully, this one will take about 15 minutes to replace. It is NOT under the intake.
 
This is like the night both my low beams burned out at the same time.
wink.gif
 
Some cars are predictable. I had to always keep a headlight for an 86 ciera, it went through drivers side headlights every 15k miles. always the drivers side. Never replaced the passenger one.
 
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That pesky covered up cylinder bank-A. I had an ignition coil go out on my 2008 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.7L V6. Had to be that bank too. I paid a local shop to swap it for me at the time.
 
Two parts that were manufactured within a few minutes of each other, installed in the same engine, subjected to the same temperatures changes, same time/mileage in service, and they both fail around the same time.

If nothing else, quality control is consistent.
 
Originally Posted By: NYEngineer
Maybe you guys won't find this as funny as I did...
My wife has a 2009 Kia Sorento. It's been a very reliable car and has given us very little trouble. A few weeks ago, she comes home home and says the CEL is on in the dash.
I went out, put the code reader on it and it said P0016. Bank A Cam Sensor.
I looked into it and found the cam angle sensors on the rear of the two valve covers. The A bank is under the intake plenum so while I was in there, I also changed the spark plugs. Whole job took just less than two hours. Car's back to normal and she's happy.
Last week, CEL comes back on. I scan it, P0018... Cam Angle Sensor, Bank B. I guess those things have a working life of around 80,000 miles.
Thankfully, this one will take about 15 minutes to replace. It is NOT under the intake.


Two CELs in three weeks and you really think it's a very reliable car? You should have owned a Honda or Toyota.
 
Originally Posted By: dgunay

Two CELs in three weeks and you really think it's a very reliable car? You should have owned a Honda or Toyota.


Actually that sounds like something a Honda or Toyota owner would say!
 
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: dgunay

Two CELs in three weeks and you really think it's a very reliable car? You should have owned a Honda or Toyota.


Actually that sounds like something a Honda or Toyota owner would say!



+1


Two CELS don't mean it's a bad car....
 
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: dgunay

Two CELs in three weeks and you really think it's a very reliable car? You should have owned a Honda or Toyota.


Actually that sounds like something a Honda or Toyota owner would say!



+1


Two CELS don't mean it's a bad car....


Did I say it's a bad car?
 
Originally Posted By: NYEngineer
Maybe you guys won't find this as funny as I did...
My wife has a 2009 Kia Sorento. It's been a very reliable car and has given us very little trouble. A few weeks ago, she comes home home and says the CEL is on in the dash.
I went out, put the code reader on it and it said P0016. Bank A Cam Sensor.
I looked into it and found the cam angle sensors on the rear of the two valve covers. The A bank is under the intake plenum so while I was in there, I also changed the spark plugs. Whole job took just less than two hours. Car's back to normal and she's happy.
Last week, CEL comes back on. I scan it, P0018... Cam Angle Sensor, Bank B. I guess those things have a working life of around 80,000 miles.
Thankfully, this one will take about 15 minutes to replace. It is NOT under the intake.



That IS pretty funny....and I bet you'll be ordering the new cam angle sensors (or the next car!) at 155k.
 
Originally Posted By: dgunay

Two CELs in three weeks and you really think it's a very reliable car? You should have owned a Honda or Toyota.


The Toyota crowd chides me for not buying Denso ignition coils to replace OE Denso coils that need replacing.
wink.gif


"But, but... they made it 200k miles."
"But the rest of the car is on track to get 201!
smile.gif
"
 
It is pretty funny.

What's even funnier is that, as always, there is a snarky response about Toyota or Honda reliability.
Yes, they're so reliable that in my neck of woods we have mechanics that specialize in nothing but Hondas or Toyotas and they are plenty busy fixing these cars.
 
I say reliable because it's the first CELs on that vehicle in it's 80,000 mile life.
My Suburban threw one early on in it's life when the fuel tank vent solenoid failed...
And when the throttle body motor failed.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
This is like the night both my low beams burned out at the same time.
wink.gif



That's enough to fool you into looking way too far into a simple problem.
 
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Two parts that were manufactured within a few minutes of each other, installed in the same engine, subjected to the same temperatures changes, same time/mileage in service, and they both fail around the same time.

If nothing else, quality control is consistent.


Exactly. That's what struck me funny.
 
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: dgunay

Two CELs in three weeks and you really think it's a very reliable car? You should have owned a Honda or Toyota.


Actually that sounds like something a Honda or Toyota owner would say!



+1


Two CELS don't mean it's a bad car....


On par with a VW I'd say. For a while I thought it was a light to let me know the engine was running.
smile.gif
 
the kia sorento isn t in the same league as a toyota. i own one and have the large pile of receipts to prove it. it still way better than a gm product. flame on
 
OK... So the plot thickens...

CEL kept coming on intermittently. Always P0018. I had already swapped the sensor and I was finding it difficult to believe the chains were sloppy. I looked to the internet.
I found some stuff saying if you use the wrong oil filter (Not factory Kia) it could trigger this light. The VVT would get too much or too little oil. This started to make sense. Last spring, I broke my ankle. My wife was taking a trip and I wanted the oil changed before she left. I gave her a Wix filter that I had in stock and set up an appointment with a local guy we trust to do the work. The reason I supplied the filter was because the car has a 3.3 with the bigger 3.8 spec oil filter. A few early 2009 Sorentos were built this way and most parts counters give me the short (wrong) filter for the car based on the 3.3 litre engine.
A couple of days after my wife left, I noticed the Wix filter was in the kitchen. I thought she either forgot it or Al (the mechanic) had one or used the short one.
Anyway, this morning, I go outside, open the filter canister and find the correct length filter, but cheesy parts store stuff and there's a stem that's part of the cap that passes through the filter with a plug and an O ring at the end. It goes into an oil passage in the block. The O ring was all deformed. I knew I had found the problem. I replaced the filter and the O rings, started the engine and immediately had no more Check Engine Light.
Hopefully, this helps someone out in the future.
 
Originally Posted By: super20dan
the kia sorento isn t in the same league as a toyota. i own one and have the large pile of receipts to prove it. it still way better than a gm product. flame on


LOL I have one receipt for all my GMs. An entire 20 bucks for the past 15 years of GM ownership. Some folks are just not bright enough to know they got ripped.
 
just wait a while 2012 is still too new for all the many issues that will pop up. as for smart move buying a silverdo over a tundra.....not
 
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