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Originally Posted By: Rolla07
Our city had huge protests for it...all the socialists want it too..we have the cheapest tuition in North America and we complain..so cheap you folks down south would laugh...tuition here for residents is under 2 grand a semester and add overpriced books..onlyl..5-6 grand per year...this education should be free thing is nuts. Maybe they should take an economics class to figure out how we pay for their education...u get educated, and pay it with the job you hope to get thanks to your education..


It will never be enough. People always want more. They want the easy life. One without sacrifice...without strife. And they want...no...DEMAND that others pay for it.
 
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: salv
A degree is a necessity to compete in todays job market, whether it be an academic degree or a vocational one. Not everyone's parents can afford to foot the bill for tuition.
A young person should not have to depend on their family's success in life. All that does is continue to keep the wealth in the hands of the currently wealthy.
In order for this to be a land of equal opportunity, money cannot be a factor. Yes, we can take loans out, but then we are in debt for most of our life.
If you keep the masses in debt, they will never rise above a paycheck to paycheck existence.
Significantly subsidizing higher education would definitely level the playing field in this country. A shift in the balance of power from the established oligarchy to the masses is truly the concern that the "ruling" class.
There are too many people that think that educational opportunity is a privilege and not a right. It is a shame that people think we should live in a dog eat dog society.
Play us a stanza from the "International" while you're at it, Boris.


Yep...who ever said that Lenin is dead?
 
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
In California if you want everything free you must become an illegal alien and speak Spanish. Then you'll have "rights".

I went through college for my degree before student loans. I slept in an old VW bus and showered at the gym, went to class and worked full time except for football season where I played safety on the team. My scholarship was not a full ride like they are today. When I left school I was tired and hungry but I did not owe one dime to anyone.

Today students with those loans stay in very nice campus housing or in off campus apartments that students of our era would not have believed. They drive new or late model cars and pickup trucks and actually eat out at restaurants and pubs on a regular basis. I think college costs more today because the schools know the students can get big loans with just a signature. The very plan that some brilliant politician devised is exactly the plan that is sinking the ship.


ECON 101, which the average "student" avoids like the plague tells us that as the money supply for "college" increases, the price goes UP. Thus we have Granny Warren, the phony indian and Senator from Taxachusetts making $350,000.00 to teach ONE course. When the gubbermint funds ANYTHING with OUR tax money, LOOK OUT. (Except, perhaps, the VA)
 
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Exactly!

No one is saying we were perfect. We are just SMH at the seemingly downward spiral.

I suggest the students contact the professors and make the case that they should be teaching for free.

After all, if the students are unwilling to spend their own money, I'm sure they can convince their potential teachers that they should be working for free.

Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: camrydriver111
I'm sure your generations were perfect when you were young.


Most of the people I grew up with didn't expect others to pay our way.
 
I agree, and you know what else we should do?

Ban social security.
Halt Veterans benefits.
Shut down medicare/medicaid.
Ban subsiding your property/income state tax exemptions.

Hypocrites. The lot of you.
 
HUH? The privately owned forum is not a public place. The owner of this medium can lock, freeze, delete, ban or do whatever they wish without a violation of anyone's 1st Amendment rights.

Those who disagree are free to obtain a domain, a server, forum software and start their own board where anything can go if that is their desire.

But someone setting rules on what can be discussed in his or her place is not an infringement on 1st A rights.

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
mods, lock this thread down tight and send a nice warning to OP.
NO FREE SPEECH!
 
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: Rolla07
Our city had huge protests for it...all the socialists want it too..we have the cheapest tuition in North America and we complain..so cheap you folks down south would laugh...tuition here for residents is under 2 grand a semester and add overpriced books..onlyl..5-6 grand per year...this education should be free thing is nuts. Maybe they should take an economics class to figure out how we pay for their education...u get educated, and pay it with the job you hope to get thanks to your education..


It will never be enough. People always want more. They want the easy life. One without sacrifice...without strife. And they want...no...DEMAND that others pay for it.
"Demand" is one word they DID learn in Language Arts, even the ESL version.
 
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Actually, I'd probably line up to get my SSI money back if I could opt out of the program.

If we tell new recruits there are no more benefits, then maybe we'd have to pay more to get men and women to volunteer.


Why not shut down medicare/medicaid. The people who set it created an unsustainable system, passing the bill on to later generations that couldn't even vote on such things when they were proposed. So why should later generations be stuck with a faulty system set up by the now retiring Baby Boomers?

I'd love a flat tax, no deductions. Pick a rate 10%, 15%, 20% just as long as that is the complete tax bill. Everyone pays, no deductions, no special treatment for the rich or the poor. We all have the same percentage of our pie taken.

No better, they can't take it, we have to send a check to our congressman every month, since it's congress that spends. No more payroll deductions of taxes. You pay it like any other bill.

I bet people will know and may even care what their representatives were doing if they had to send them a check every month for the percentage they say they need to run the federal government.

Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
I agree, and you know what else we should do?

Ban social security.
Halt Veterans benefits.
Shut down medicare/medicaid.
Ban subsiding your property/income state tax exemptions.

Hypocrites. The lot of you.
 
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: salv
A degree is a necessity to compete in todays job market, whether it be an academic degree or a vocational one. Not everyone's parents can afford to foot the bill for tuition.
A young person should not have to depend on their family's success in life. All that does is continue to keep the wealth in the hands of the currently wealthy.
In order for this to be a land of equal opportunity, money cannot be a factor. Yes, we can take loans out, but then we are in debt for most of our life.
If you keep the masses in debt, they will never rise above a paycheck to paycheck existence.
Significantly subsidizing higher education would definitely level the playing field in this country. A shift in the balance of power from the established oligarchy to the masses is truly the concern that the "ruling" class.
There are too many people that think that educational opportunity is a privilege and not a right. It is a shame that people think we should live in a dog eat dog society.
Play us a stanza from the "International" while you're at it, Boris.


Yep...who ever said that Lenin is dead?
By golly he's alive, well, and holding his hand out, palms up, right here. ^
 
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Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: 4wheeldog
My cut on this is......For the first half of the last century, high school was the expected minimum to get a decent job. And it was available for no cost to the student.

Now, a decent job requires secondary education.

My proposal: Community college or the first two years at a public university be paid for by the government, but only those classes that the student passes. The student pays up front, but is reimbursed when he/she is successful in passing. Loans could be available for a first time student to start in this system.


You're being reasonable!! Stop!!

Let's not forget the benefits of an educated populace. If your doctor/ contractor/ mechanic makes a mistake due to inexperience and has to "go back in", he still knows more than you, and you're getting snowed. You're paying more for a worse result. Since you don't notice, you don't quantify this.

Bump into the average idiot, say, at work. Muse to yourself how much better it could be if he spent more time in school. I'm particularly disturbed by bad grammar.
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Call me the odd-ball....but I don't think it "reasonable" at all that my tax dollars should pay for a complete stranger to go to a community college.
They are adults...free to make choices...free to do as they wish.

Just don't ask me to pay for it.


They don't ask, we just pay for it whether we want to or not...
 
I grew up in a single parent home. No extra money. But scored in the top 1% (or better) on the entrance exams. Accepted to MIT as well as other schools I couldn't afford.

My point is, those who have the talent will find the money. If you really are cream of the crop academically, there are those who will provide the financial aid.

I ended up staying in the Midwest, attending a simiar quality school here on an Army ROTC scholarship. Tuition and Books as well as a monthly stipend. All I had to pay was my living expenses.

Tuition alone was 12-13K in the early 1980s before any other costs. That was a big chunk of change then.

But money was available for those who could cut the mustard academically.

The same is true today.

My daughter is in a gifted program. She is doing her Jr and Sr year of high school at the local community college. She'll have a 2 year head start on her peers. It's $3K/year and some aid was available to families that couldn't afford it.

So she'll graduate with an Associates of Science and her H.S. diploma, with credits that are guaranteed to transfer to any in-state public school. Most will transfer to neighboring states.

Imagine, starting your bachelors degree at 18 needing only two years of school to finish.

But too many want to smoke and joke and then complain when they can't do the work to get scholarships or get into such programs.

It wasn't "cool" to be smart. It wasn't 30+ years ago when I was in school and I don't think it is today.

Kids would rather be cool than do the work needed to be smart and wise.

Originally Posted By: 4wheeldog
My cut on this is......For the first half of the last century, high school was the expected minimum to get a decent job. And it was available for no cost to the student.

Now, a decent job requires secondary education.

My proposal: Community college or the first two years at a public university be paid for by the government, but only those classes that the student passes. The student pays up front, but is reimbursed when he/she is successful in passing. Loans could be available for a first time student to start in this system.

As a Country, we are not doing ourselves any favors by denying education to those who are capable, but unable to bear the cost. It makes us substantially less competitive in the world.
 
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
I agree, and you know what else we should do?

Ban social security.
Halt Veterans benefits.
Shut down medicare/medicaid.
Ban subsiding your property/income state tax exemptions.

Hypocrites. The lot of you.




All or nothing? Everything must be free?

If that's the choice, I vote for nothing.
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I grew up in a single parent home. No extra money. But scored in the top 1% (or better) on the entrance exams. Accepted to MIT as well as other schools I couldn't afford.

My point is, those who have the talent will find the money. If you really are cream of the crop academically, there are those who will provide the financial aid.

I ended up staying in the Midwest, attending a simiar quality school here on an Army ROTC scholarship. Tuition and Books as well as a monthly stipend. All I had to pay was my living expenses.

Tuition alone was 12-13K in the early 1980s before any other costs. That was a big chunk of change then.

But money was available for those who could cut the mustard academically.

The same is true today.

My daughter is in a gifted program. She is doing her Jr and Sr year of high school at the local community college. She'll have a 2 year head start on her peers. It's $3K/year and some aid was available to families that couldn't afford it.

So she'll graduate with an Associates of Science and her H.S. diploma, with credits that are guaranteed to transfer to any in-state public school. Most will transfer to neighboring states.

Imagine, starting your bachelors degree at 18 needing only two years of school to finish.

But too many want to smoke and joke and then complain when they can't do the work to get scholarships or get into such programs.

It wasn't "cool" to be smart. It wasn't 30+ years ago when I was in school and I don't think it is today.

Kids would rather be cool than do the work needed to be smart and wise.

Originally Posted By: 4wheeldog
My cut on this is......For the first half of the last century, high school was the expected minimum to get a decent job. And it was available for no cost to the student.

Now, a decent job requires secondary education.

My proposal: Community college or the first two years at a public university be paid for by the government, but only those classes that the student passes. The student pays up front, but is reimbursed when he/she is successful in passing. Loans could be available for a first time student to start in this system.

As a Country, we are not doing ourselves any favors by denying education to those who are capable, but unable to bear the cost. It makes us substantially less competitive in the world.


So.......As long as the truly gifted 1% have money available, the $%^& with everybody else?
Everybody capable of being successful at the college level NEEDS an education today. Limiting it to the "Gifted" will go a long way toward our winning the race to the bottom.
 
How about someone in their 30's that wants to better him/herself maybe they didn't go to college, and they want to go now for free. Are they included to go to college for free? How old to you have to be to qualify for free college? Or how old to be disqualified for free college? Just wondering......
 
Originally Posted By: 4wheeldog
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I grew up in a single parent home. No extra money. But scored in the top 1% (or better) on the entrance exams. Accepted to MIT as well as other schools I couldn't afford.

My point is, those who have the talent will find the money. If you really are cream of the crop academically, there are those who will provide the financial aid.

I ended up staying in the Midwest, attending a simiar quality school here on an Army ROTC scholarship. Tuition and Books as well as a monthly stipend. All I had to pay was my living expenses.

Tuition alone was 12-13K in the early 1980s before any other costs. That was a big chunk of change then.

But money was available for those who could cut the mustard academically.

The same is true today.

My daughter is in a gifted program. She is doing her Jr and Sr year of high school at the local community college. She'll have a 2 year head start on her peers. It's $3K/year and some aid was available to families that couldn't afford it.

So she'll graduate with an Associates of Science and her H.S. diploma, with credits that are guaranteed to transfer to any in-state public school. Most will transfer to neighboring states.

Imagine, starting your bachelors degree at 18 needing only two years of school to finish.

But too many want to smoke and joke and then complain when they can't do the work to get scholarships or get into such programs.

It wasn't "cool" to be smart. It wasn't 30+ years ago when I was in school and I don't think it is today.

Kids would rather be cool than do the work needed to be smart and wise.

Originally Posted By: 4wheeldog
My cut on this is......For the first half of the last century, high school was the expected minimum to get a decent job. And it was available for no cost to the student.

Now, a decent job requires secondary education.

My proposal: Community college or the first two years at a public university be paid for by the government, but only those classes that the student passes. The student pays up front, but is reimbursed when he/she is successful in passing. Loans could be available for a first time student to start in this system.

As a Country, we are not doing ourselves any favors by denying education to those who are capable, but unable to bear the cost. It makes us substantially less competitive in the world.


So.......As long as the truly gifted 1% have money available, the $%^& with everybody else?
Everybody capable of being successful at the college level NEEDS an education today. Limiting it to the "Gifted" will go a long way toward our winning the race to the bottom.


People with money will always always always be one step ahead. You poor and want free college? They will just go to Harvard. You want Harvard for free? They will start the next Harvard 2.0 one step ahead. You want to go to the best college in the world for free? They will have private tutors. It's how the world has been from the beginning of time.
 
What government program ever met it's self professed goal, on time and on budget? If there is to be a free college education available it will mean complete government control and will become a welfare system for students. That's all the politicians know about such ideas. That's all they've ever done. It's part of the election, re-election cycle.
 
That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying in you need to make a value proposition.

No way should the system be put your hand out and we'll pay the bill.

I don't believe college is for everyone. But I do believe that everyone willing to do the work can find a way to go to school.

One may not be gifted in math and science, but they might be a great welder, or carpenter, or electrician.

We need those folks too.

The days are over when you can just skate through high school and hope to get a good job.

There are BILLIONS in the world who are happy to do what the average American can do, and for a lot less money.

You have to be better, more productive and more valuable than those folks in the coming economy. The world, the nation really owes you nothing.

This whole idea that someone owes us is the root of the problem.

What happened to, "it's my job to make myself valuable, marketable, useful?"

What happened to the America where Kennedy ask folks to think not what their country could do for them, but what they could do for their country.

Today, it seems there are 99 asking what the country could do for them for every 1 who is asking what they can do for the country.
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I grew up in a single parent home. No extra money. But scored in the top 1% (or better) on the entrance exams. Accepted to MIT as well as other schools I couldn't afford.

My point is, those who have the talent will find the money. If you really are cream of the crop academically, there are those who will provide the financial aid.

I ended up staying in the Midwest, attending a simiar quality school here on an Army ROTC scholarship. Tuition and Books as well as a monthly stipend. All I had to pay was my living expenses.

Tuition alone was 12-13K in the early 1980s before any other costs. That was a big chunk of change then.

But money was available for those who could cut the mustard academically.

I went to University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign late 1970's, at that time the tuition was less than Community College if I took more than 15-16 hours a semester.

Tuition for full time student was less than $200 a semester at UI-UC, tuition at CC was $14/hr so for more than 15 hours the semester tuition can be above $200. Text books costed more than tuition at UI-UC

Forty years ago the tuition was much less than my daughter pays to University California at Irvine.
 
javacontour,

My niece also did her associates degree while in high school. Big advantage when your core credits for your bachelors degree have been completed.
 
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