Frams

[SuperBusa]

Originally Posted By: mva
Fram filters are fine - if you can get past the cardboard end cap issue. Keep in mind that the oil pressure pushing the oil through the media is also pushing the end caps tightly against the media. At 10 psi there would be about 60 lbs of force pushing on each end cap given a 3" diameter.


Sounds like a good reason to have metal end caps.

 

[mva]

Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
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Sounds like a good reason to have metal end caps.


I don't think so - the media and/or center tube will collapse long before the cardboard or metal end caps. Also the filter structure will be designed to withstand the oil pressure up to the point the relief valve starts to open plus a safety factor.

My point is that in either case, metal or cardboard, any significant leakage at the joint between the media and end cap is unlikely. Taking apart a used filter and peeling back the cardboard end cap does not prove that there was any leakage.

 

[Badlees]

Since it's less expensive, why doesn't everyone just use the cardboard end caps? Just asking. Honestly, it really doesn't matter to me considering we all know what we like and what we will spend our money on. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[SuperBusa]

See the "A Letter from Fram" at the bottom of the page in link below. Some interesting inputs from Fram on the cardboard end caps.

http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html

 

[Whimsey]

Never did an UOA with a Fram. My problem with them is their nitrile black ABV. On my Ford vehicles they just plain s**ked. I got dry starts everytime, worse in the winter.

I can get a Motorcraft filter with a silicon ABV, spring pressure relief valve at the open end and it feels heftier than the Fram Orange can. It's over $1 less expensive than the Orange Fram can at WalMart. I don't get any "dry" start noises with Motorcraft. For me it's a no brainer.

Whimsey

 

[SnakeOil]

I'm by no means here to say Fram is the [please don't use cutsey spellings to go around the censor]. There are better filters for the money. It's the constant banter about them being the worst filters out there that gets under my skin. I'll have to exactly agree with whimsey on the Mototcraft part. Better filter for less money.

 

[NewC6]

Having never cut open a filter, I finally decided to cut open a Fram TG TG6607 which was on our 05 Murano. We are also running Pennzoil Platinum 5w30 if that matters. I ran this filter 8 months but only about 3600 miles. (Early change, getting ready for a cross country run)
I had wanted to see the fiber endcaps for myself and i can honestly say I saw no deformation of the media or the endcaps. The silicon ADBV was fine, no "stuff" on the screen either. The glue holding the media to the endcaps was fine, no pulling away of the media from the endcaps.
My conclusion is that, when my local auto pars store has a special on PP and throws in the TG filter for free, I will not be afraid to use this filter.

 

[labman]

Originally Posted By: SnakeOil
I'm by no means here to say Fram is the [please don't use cutsey spellings to go around the censor]. There are better filters for the money. It's the constant banter about them being the worst filters out there that gets under my skin. I'll have to exactly agree with whimsey on the Mototcraft part. Better filter for less money.



If Fram isn't the worst, what is? I have been around here a long time and don't remember anybody showing something worse. I have cut open some fairly cheap stuff, and they all looked better than Fram.

 

[peterdaniel]

I think you all just need something or someone to be the fall guy/whipping boy etc.

FRAM filters are FINE. Nothing wrong with them as long as you use the correct one for your application.

We have seen many many times that its the AIR FILTER that is the most important filter on a car.

I have seen many vehicles with FRAM filters on them and they ran fine.

have a problem with dry starts? Use the filter with the silicone ADBV! not too hard now is it?

And looks have nothing to do with it.

Im sure that many of you aren't exactly the cat's meow insofar as your beauty.. how about we call you junk/[censored]/garbage/POS?

Action and results talk.. [censored] walks.

 

[joedirt]

My dad is a retired rural mail carrier who used Havoline 10w30 and Fram filters because it was the cheapest way to go. His primary truck, an 88 s-10 ext cab with the 4.3 v6 went 326000 miles before it let go.

 

[hooperswish1]

"You can pay me now, or you can pay me later" was a great ad campaign. It sold me. Until I learned better...

 

[RF Overlord]

^^^what Whimsey said^^^ Exactly.

I realise that in the grand scheme of things, a dollar for an oil filter is nothing, but the principle is still valid. Why should I pay $4.99 for the bottom of the line FRAM, when I can pay $3.78 for a higher-quality factory-recommended Motorcraft?

 

[labman]

+1

 

[NJC]

I have a Fram with 20K KM's on my 1988 Accord, and will try to run to 25K KM's. I'll do a postmortem and post pics.

 

[Sayjac]

Quote:
My dad is a retired rural mail carrier who used Havoline 10w30 and Fram filters because it was the cheapest way to go.
I used to do the same but that adage is no longer true IMO.

I can get an AAP with more media and metal end caps for less money. I can get a Puro Prem Plus with even more media and metal end caps for the less money. And, if I have an application that can use a Motorcraft, I can get silicone ADBV, metal end caps, and FoMoCo recommended bypass, for less money.

I know, cardboard is as good as metal say the defenders. Not for more money, especially if it's mine. JMO

BTW, I used to use Havoline too, but I've found better everyday name brand values in oil now too.

 

[SuperBusa]

Originally Posted By: NJC
I have a Fram with 20K KM's on my 1988 Accord, and will try to run to 25K KM's. I'll do a postmortem and post pics.


You taling the filter, motor or both?

 

[NJC]

Heh. Hopefully just the filter! The car has not had a happy life, so will make a good guinea pig.

I picked it up a few yrs ago for $250.

 

[Zaedock]

You do have to hand it to Fram for filter color choice though. I remember helping my older brother change the oil in his Camaro back in the 70's. I don't recall the details, but the one thing that stuck out in my mind was the good 'ol orange can of death. Every rod, custom, or drag car had 'em, so I used them too.
I was always a die hard Fram guy and felt they actually helped dress up an engine. That is, until one day I decided to compare a Champ labs SuperTech filter to the Fram. It "felt" better! More solid. I started using the ST's and never looked back. Then a few years ago when I signed up here, the info I found confirmed my choice.

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: joedirt
His primary truck, an 88 s-10 ext cab with the 4.3 v6 went 326000 miles before it let go.

She would have went farther on a better filter. frams suck!

 

[Steve S]

Originally Posted By: joedirt
My dad is a retired rural mail carrier who used Havoline 10w30 and Fram filters because it was the cheapest way to go. His primary truck, an 88 s-10 ext cab with the 4.3 v6 went 326000 miles before it let go.
The engine would have lasted 326,001 miles if a Mobil 1 filter was used . Really.